U.S. Department of Education - Wanting Shotguns!

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    Exclamation U.S. Department of Education - Wanting Shotguns!

    Why would the Department of Education want to buy 14" barrel Shotguns!

    What happened to the Zero tolerance policy

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    Mar 08, 2010 10:39 am

    The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14" LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.
    The required date of delivery is March 22, 2010.
    Interested sources must submit detailed technical capabilities and any other information that demonstrates their ability to meet the requirements above, no later than March 12, 2010 at 12 PM, E.S.T. Any quotes must be submitted electronically to the attention of Holly.Le@ed.gov, Contract Specialist (Contract Operations Group), with a concurrent copy to Sherese.Lewis@ed.gov, Contracting Officer (Contract Operations Group).

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    and what does the EOD need shotguns for?
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    I think that they are for a high school in our area.
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    At first this sounds like a good thing. Like, "Right On!". People are finally understanding that you cannot protect yourself with simply a "No Guns Allowed" or "Gun Free Zone" sign posted at the door.

    But the other side of me that is suspicious about EVERY single thing governemt does (and make no mistake, the DOE and school boards ARE government) is not so sure.

    I guess I'll need to find out more about how they plan to store/implement these guns before I pass judgement.

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    Do not question, just keep Remington working.

    Besides, they probably have had the current shotguns for 40 or more years. Note they are only looking for 27 weapons.

    Stuff like this comes out every few months for different agencies. Everyone needs odd numbers of 870 because it's "The Shotgun" and someone finally got a grant for new weapons.

    Paranoia much, people?

    Let me know when the federal government orders more ammo for the upcoming gun confiscation & genocide against conservatives...

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    I guess they're trying to backup the idea of compulsory indoctri... i mean education, with some force.

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    Reading the solicitation carefully, it seems the Dept. of Ed already owns similar shotguns. It's probably for security for their HQ, or something similar.

    It's easy to read something sinister into this, but there's no evidence to support such a conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbrenke View Post
    and what does the EOD need shotguns for?
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    Really though, they have research facilities that probably needs security. I don't know if they actually have their own LE arm.
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    I think BFunk put it best on facebook this morning:

    "Detention just got a whole lot more serious."

    I didn't see anything sinister about this, just puzzled why they have firearms.
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    I'm fairly certain these would be for Special Agents (Criminal Investigators) working for the US Dept of Education - Office of Inspector General. They are armed; make arrests; serve search warrants; etc.

    Investigative Reports from the Office of Inspector General
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo View Post
    I'm fairly certain these would be for Special Agents (Criminal Investigators) working for the US Dept of Education - Office of Inspector General. They are armed; make arrests; serve search warrants; etc.

    Investigative Reports from the Office of Inspector General
    So why does the DoE have law enforcement functionality? Shouldn't that be the FBI or DHS? I really don't see any need for the DoE (or the IRS for that matter, who had a similar situation about purchasing shotguns a few months ago) to have weapons. There are already existing law enforcement agencies to deal with crimes. This is entirely too much autonomy for the DoE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifehertz View Post
    So why does the DoE have law enforcement functionality? Shouldn't that be the FBI or DHS? I really don't see any need for the DoE (or the IRS for that matter, who had a similar situation about purchasing shotguns a few months ago) to have weapons. There are already existing law enforcement agencies to deal with crimes. This is entirely too much autonomy for the DoE.
    Because, the last thing we need is a "national police force" that does everything. The OIG's were created to investigate fraud, waste, and abuse within specific government programs. They are not out stopping people for speeding or arresting people for shoplifting, etc. They are actually independent watchdog agencies. They are essentially the "internal affairs units" for individual government agencies. They save the taxpayers a huge amount of money in recovered government funds, which, in my opinion, is a good thing. They also tend to be expert investigators in their specific field, as opposed to just a general investigator. To properly investigate fraud within a 100-million-dollar NASA contract, you need to have a complete understanding of how NASA works and how government contracting works. You also need to be a trained, experienced investigator. If you just assign it to random FBI or DHS Agents, they are not going to have the required expertise. And if they are going to be arresting people for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars and putting them in federal prison for a long time, I certainly don't expect them to do it unarmed. A desperate government employee who does not want to go to prison is no less dangerous than a desperate private company employee who does not want to go to prison. Just last year a Dept of Justice OIG Special Agent was shot and killed in the line of duty while attempting to arrest a Federal Bureau of Prisons guard.

    The Dept of Agriculture OIG has a very large caseload of suspects who are fradulently obtaining and using foodstamps. That is your tax money being stolen. Their job is to protect it and recover it.

    The Veterans Affairs OIG investigates persons claiming military metals and benefits they never earned. They also investigate hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical fraud. Again, that is your tax money being stolen.

    Take a look at the annual report for the US Postal Service OIG. Any idea how many bogus "workman's comp" cases they work every year? The USPS OIG returns about $47 dollars for every $1 of their budget. The Social Security Admin OIG had a $57 ROI on budget in 2007. ( http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0988.pdf )

    As a taxpayer, I appreciate what the OIG's do. Even if you don't like the idea of federal law enforcement or despise particular agencies (ATF, IRS, DEA, etc), I suggest you do some research on the OIG community. They save and recover hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money every year. And they are not the guys who would come knocking on your door to "confiscate your guns".
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    PS - IRS CID Special Agents are the ones who put Al Capone away. They also do a lot of counter-terrorism work (follow the funding) and narcotics related work in the field of money laundering. I have no issue with them being armed either.
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    I believe they have their own law enforcement arm.

    Office of Inspector General for Department of Education or some such.

    Probably internal more than anything.
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