A baseball bat for home defense
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May 16th, 2010 01:57 PM
A baseball bat for home defense
I went to a guy's house last night for supper. I'd never met him, but he is a friend of a friend. Single guy, older, nice house, neatly furnished, mainly just the basics. About 30 people attended: men, women and children.
I noticed a large baseball bat propped up in front of the fireplace. It was out of place: no other sports stuff around.
At some point during the night, I found myself next to him, so I probed: "Are you a baseball fan?"
Him: ... silence... he was searching for an answer
Me, still probing: "Do you play baseball?"
Him, with a smug smile: "That's for anyone who wants it." Meaning it was his self-defense for a home invasion or another confrontation.
I didn't probe any further because I didn't want the conversation to turn to CCW. I was heavily armed at the time, and I didn't want any direct questions from him about my status.
Note: I know in some states it is required to inform a homeowner if you are carrying. Not in Missouri.
Some people consider it unethical to not inform a homeowner if you are carrying in their home. Not me. My family's safety trumps all, including the feelings of others. This guy lives in Missouri, so he should be aware of the CCW laws. If he's got an issue with it, let him say so ahead of time.
Later I spoke with another guy who has a CCW permit about the bat. I noted it didn't work too well for the doctor in Cheshire, CT.
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I knew this other guy carried due to a friend. (Yep, loose lips sink ships, and he likely revealed my carry status also--oh well, at some point I refuse to treat carrying like I have the plague.)
We didn't have the opportunity to discuss much, but I was told he carries all the time. I spotted what was probably a pocket holster with a panel in his right front pocket. Had I not been looking, it would have attracted no attention. He wore a fairly tight tucked-in shirt, so I'm guessing he was carrying one .380. At least he believes in carrying all the time, and having a gun on him.
I'll pursue that relationship when I have the opportunity... If a guy believes in carrying all the time, he's someone I want to get to know.
As far as bat guy, he's made the decision about how he chooses to defend his home. His life, his choice, and I'll respect his right to make his own decision. But when my family visits his home, I'll be heavily armed.
If a baseball bat is all one has, it's better than nothing. But in Missouri, we are allowed more than a baseball bat. And this guy, AFAIK, has no record that prevents him from owning a gun.
His life, his choice. My family, my choice. And it will be more than a bat. Always.
May 16th, 2010 01:57 PM
May 16th, 2010 02:11 PM
I have a bat too though. If I ever have to use it, I will. I doubt that I'll be effective with it however as I'll not be able to get solid footing for effective strikes with all of the spent brass covering the floor!
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May 16th, 2010 05:55 PM
What a shame the Doctor didn't have the means to defend his family. But I would guess he is (was?) the type to believe that guns are bad and only bad people have guns. Who knows..... But we do know his wife and daughters are dead.
May 16th, 2010 06:26 PM
Sad story! If this type of incident does not wake up the then nothing will!
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May 16th, 2010 06:58 PM
Wow, that's a super sad, tragic story.
I'm thinkin' a 12 gauge or AK-47, or similar is way better than a bat. That said, if his wife even would've had a .380 in her pocket, this could've been tragedy averted.
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May 16th, 2010 09:44 PM
I'm sorry, a baseball bat is just not my idea of a HD weapon unless you live in a mansion and have plenty of room to swing it along with hallways remember and a gun trumps the bat any day also.
I have some 18 inch pipes or broom handles around the house and garage. I put them just in case, because you never know when you might need a short weapon in a pinch.
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May 16th, 2010 10:01 PM
I have a bat too. Mine is made from walnut reinforced with steel. It's made by Remington. It was pricey for a ball bat, but its the best bat money can buy. I don't think it fits MLB regs though.
May 16th, 2010 10:09 PM
In defense of Mr. Baseball, a bat with a plan is better than no plan at all...
I do prefer my firearms for HD...
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May 16th, 2010 10:11 PM
Remember the movie "Signs"?
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May 16th, 2010 11:38 PM
Now as far as concealing a baseball bat.........that's where I would draw a line.
Granted a bat might be better than nothing, (it would be quiet) but good grief there are a lot better choices out there.
Grady, had you been sitting at the table eating, and your host was walking around behind you, holding the bat and talking about teamwork, would you get nervous (Untouchables)?
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May 16th, 2010 11:47 PM
Any tool that's got a well-understood interface can be used against you, if it gets into the hands of the attacker(s). That goes for any tool.
Originally Posted by grady
Which is why the layers are so important: hardened perimeter, for time; warning/alarm for perimeter breach, to activate the next defensive steps; repelling intruder(s), possibly from inside another hardened area; calling cavalry.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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May 17th, 2010 04:31 PM
Sad story, if he just would've had a gun.
I' have a bat. But also a 1911 .45, a sword (1864 US Army NCO's).
And soon aim getting a ss colt combat commander :) !
May 17th, 2010 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by retsupt99
This X 1000
And if anybody could CCW a bat (or 2) it would be you, Grady. :)
May 17th, 2010 05:54 PM
A bat is better then nothing, I guess. As for concealing it, just shove it down your pants leg. If any looks oddly at you, smile and pretend your're very happy to see them.
Sixto, MLB may suspect cork in your "bat."
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May 17th, 2010 06:22 PM
a bat/baton/knife is what i have for HD/SD for now...
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