Home defense with problem renter in the house

Home defense with problem renter in the house

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    Home defense with problem renter in the house

    This is a real situation that is happening to my parents right now. They have rented their basement out to someone who has worn out their welcome (single mother and 17 year old son). The basement is not completely sealed off from the rest of the house (ie. shared kitchen on main level) so they can't lock them out of the middle and upper levels. The renters have been notified that they will need to vacate the premises in a reasonable amount of time but they didn't take it very well. My parents now fear that they could become victims of theft and/or revenge. Home defense scenerios are normally in the frame of single home owners not renting. Any advice on keeping the parents safe? They are going to have at least one person at the house every day until the renters vacate to make sure valuables don't get stolen. Mom has a Winchester 1300 defender and a Bersa Thunder .380 pistol.
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    This may be a tricky area for the home defense laws. As renters, they are more or less "invited" guests, therefore would not be considered trespassers. Best advice would simply to be extra vigilant until they move out, then change all of the locks.

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    Changing the locks is #1 on their list when the renters move out. The lady is an alcoholic and has been stealing booze from my folks so they want her out.
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    They need to talk with the local police and to consult an attorney ASAP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalexplr View Post
    They need to talk with the local police and to consult an attorney ASAP!
    definitely good advice - they may want to monitor the moving day as well - keep a look out for any obvious pilferage and keep valuable in rooms that can be locked (bedrooms)

    They should have real doors on rooms with keyed locks to prevent their own stuff being accessible to renters...

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    Check with an attorney, well worth the money, laws are different from State to State.
    Do they have a written lease or rental agreement ?
    Have they been receiving mail at that address ?
    Do your parent provide them with utilities ? In which case, in case of non-payment they could shut the power off to the basement (in some states)
    Really an attorney is the way to go.
    Also if threats have been made, report that to the local PD or SO, start a paper trail.
    Make them realize that if they steal, vandalize or destroy your property the consequences will be heavy.

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    Stupidly the rental agreement was verbal. I scolded them for that one already. The next door neighbor is a county sheriff, as well as his wife so that's better for them. I will pass the information along about hiring an attorney. Thank you all for the great information.
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    If the renter is guilty of theft, press charges against her and get her locked up. HSD can find a place for the kid.
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    without a formal document the renter's agreement reverts to whatever the state's laws define it to be - try to Google tenant landlord law for your state - it may reveal the very interesting reasons why others use written documents to define rights and privileges

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    without a formal document the renter's agreement reverts to whatever the state's laws define it to be - try to Google tenant landlord law for your state - it may reveal the very interesting reasons why others use written documents to define rights and privileges
    Will do, thank you.
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    A verbal agreement can be good and bad...both ways...
    Give them a 30 day notice, in writing, and be on 24/7 watch for 30 days. Let the sheriff do your talking.
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    I'd be moving in with the parents for 30 days, and have the sheriff there on day 30.

    Search out state laws and an attorney on the fastest way to evict.
    You'll have to prove theft...get a camera and 'set them up'...

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    It can take up to 4 months in most states to evict a renter even with a lease agreement. As mentioned, a written agreement would have been prudent.Verbally asking the renter to leave is not binding either. Draft a letter stating that there renter is to vacate by x-date. Sign and date the letter and send it by registered mail so the renter must sign for the letter. You can expect that the renter will likely stop paying rent after being notified to vacate. It can probably be assumed that the renter has no tangible assets. Even If you were to spent money for a lawyer and receive a judgment, that does not mean you will ever be paid. Meanwhile the renter may begin to trash the space. As crazy as it sounds, some landlords have actually found it less expensive to pay the renter to leave.
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    I would say check out that landlord/tenant agreement also and see a lawyer as others have said. That verbal agreement should work in your parents favor I would think to an extent also.
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    Definately get the neighbors involved, however, the firearms, that makes me a bit nervous.

    1) Are they secure?
    2) If they are secure, can your Mom access them quickly if need be?
    3) If they are not secure, they need to be on your parents at all times, or removed from the house. If these people are dangerous, you don't want your parents getting shot with their own weapons!
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    Any way to add/install locking interior doors in order to seal off the kitchen from the remainder of the house?

    That way & until you get them out of there (which could take a while) they will only have access to the basement and the kitchen.

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