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Use the law to its fullest! Contact a lawyer. Harassment restraining orders do not require a lot of backup data...just probable cause. Especially in the case of women versus agressive man. As soon as you become the agressor...you lose!
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My CT property shares a property line with a high school. When I first read the applicable statutes, it seemed that even with a permit I couldn't carry on my own property, as it was within X feet of a school. A few calls to Blumie's office got that squared away about 4 years ago. I'm out in AZ now but I still am part owner of the CT property and carry there whenever I visit.
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Actually, at my sons school, If you pick a kid up from the school, you must go into the school, be on the "list," show ID and escort the child to the vehicle.Why do you have to sign your kid out? When school lets out, every parent has to sign out their kid? Doesn't make sense. The teachers don't walk one group out to get on buses, and one group to a specific area for traffic circle pick up? Here at our local Elementary, if you are there to pick your child up and do not want to go through the traffic circle, and would rather walk in and take them by the hand, your child is brought out with the rest of the kids to be picked up for the traffic circle and you just walk down and wait until they bring them out and call your kid out. The only time we ever have to sign our kid out is if we are picking them up early from school, before school lets out.
Kids riding the bus. Are called by bus number (P.A system), lined up inside the school, then walked to the bus by a staff member.
Kids safety while at school is no joke, they don't mess around these days.
Last edited by varob; September 10th, 2010 at 09:19 AM.
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Right. This isn't high school anymore. This is real adults.I'm sure he has "MAJOR" issues with that, but what do you mean, "deal with him immediately"?
Sounds to me like there may be some residual hurt feelings over all this, but it's water under the bridge and there is nothing to worry about. Confronting Rick mano-a-mano could potentially reopen old wounds and exacerbate things. The gameplan here is to be watchful. While the original threat was worrisome, it was part of a domestic dispute that's in the past.
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I think that since you are no longer neighbors you should keep your nose out of "Ricks" business. Quit trying to solve another families problems and you won't bring these problems home to your family. If this guy is as bad as you think he is, he'll get his in the end.
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take the original threat seriously!! He obviously remembered your wife even though a few years have passed by.
Folks like this are often so self-absorbed and narcissistic that the threat of consequences does little to influence their actions. They have long memories of even the slightest signs of "disrespect" or folks that "cross" them.
Threatened masculinity + low impulse control + history of violence = a significantly heightened threat potential.
Get an attorney-have your attorney contact the school administration and ask them for a written response on how they (the school administration) intend to protect your child and you and your wife given this man's proven histroy of violence and the fact that your wife testified against him in earlier court proceedings. The letter from your attrny puts the burden on THEM (the school administration). Any school administrator with any brains, when reading that letter from the attorney knows that if they blow it off and something goes south, it will be THEIR own personal butt in a sling--this tends to make the matter much more important to them. It should lead to some kind of documented meeting with a documented safe plan of action.
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I, too, would engage a competent attorney and have discussions with the school's principal and/or the district head. He's made the threats previously. He's got a track record of extreme violence toward people "in his way." Your little one and your wife are likely to be seen by him relatively frequently. And you're not likely to be there when it goes down. God forbid the guy finds out where you live. I would speak with the school and police to ensure people are maintaining a heightened sense of awareness about this guy, given his threats that combine with his current problem with your wife and his knowledge of how things went down previously.
It's not just the past, it's not just water under the bridge.
Ask women who've been there and gotten out --- wife beaters DO NOT change.
Just because things from the past are past doesn't mean he won't have something come up tomorrow, and with your previous history he will be extremely likely to throw the "blame" for whatever is in his craw on you/your wife/your kid.
Uh, me personally, I'd look into another school or homeschooling.....no way I'd be seeing that guy every day in a defense free zone
I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them. -- John Wayne as John B. Books in "The Shootist"
I'm not real sure where some people are going with some of that advice.....
I've dealt with many violent people (murders, rapist, etc). Turning a blind eye and/or hoping the legal system is going to do anything to help you "beforehand" is what ends up getting some people killed. Well... "I have this piece of paper and you better get away from me", right before BG kills them. Uh, they don't really care what paper, legal advice, or much else you have if they truly want to do something.
Now, having said all that.... this guy backed away. He's showing he didn't want any confrontation , at least there and then. Sounds llke he was very surprised. He may be on probation. I seriously doubt (based upon what you said ) that he does at this point. However, I'm wondering why...... if he has Peg's girl.... how come ? Is he still living with Peg ? Is the girl's father aware of that, and should he be ? Maybe he needs to be aware of it. Wife beaters spout off a lot of stuff but usually don't like confrontation with another male.
Here , we can carry at schools, and even inside the schools unless they post them appropriately with the AG's approved signs. So, it's less of an issue.
I don't think you will have an issue, but I would keep alert and keep the SRO alert and always be prepared. I really doubt you need to do more than that.
Make it very very clear to the school and SRO that absolutely no one but you or your wife are to pick up your kids at the school for ANY reason. I would have one person armed and waiting in the car, while the other went to get them. Then, if something actually did happen, the one in the car can react to any immediate threat. Or, would ask that the SRO actually walk them out with you every day .... if you are that concerned. I don't think they would want to turn down that request and then something happen.
I won't get into it , but ... been there... and I was never "unarmed" then, and I'm not now either.
It also may pay to have a PI do a little research for you on this guy's history, record, check for warrants, if he's on probation or not, where he's living, etc.
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I was never IN his business. My wife witnessed the assault and kept the daughter in our apartment when the assault took place. The state subpoenaed her to testify. I am not a proponent of getting involved in other people's business but I can't criticize my wife for stepping up to the plate when the situation was thrust upon her. I am not trying to solve another family's problems.
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This idea is worth careful consideration. It is always appropriate to gather intel on a possible enemy and a background check wouldn't cost much and be excellent information to have. I can think of no reason not to do this.It also may pay to have a PI do a little research for you on this guy's history, record, check for warrants, if he's on probation or not, where he's living, etc.
My previous comment was not suggesting that everything be forgotten. The strategic principle here is that you don't give the other person anything to work with. So give some serious thought to having a PI run down the guy's situation and see if it turns up something of interest.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
Life isn't always so simple as an equation, that keeping out of people's business equates to not being dragged into it. Very often, as we all know, thugs such as this make their own ugly stew. So very often, it has nothing to do with "sticking our noses" into anything. Rather, it has only to do with standing up to bullies and thugs, disallowing them to run us into the ground as they have done to everyone else in their lives.
Keep safe and alert. My guess is that the threats aren't over, as the thug's still standing (and apparently very angry).
parramedic, since we are practically neighbors I need to ask what school?
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