The Gun Is Civilization

The Gun Is Civilization

This is a discussion on The Gun Is Civilization within the Home (And Away From Home) Defense Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; THIS IS THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER READ. "The Gun Is Civilization" Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . ...

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    The Gun Is Civilization


    "The Gun Is Civilization"

    Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .

    As the Supreme Court hears arguments for and against the Chicago, IL Gun Ban,
    I offer you another stellar example of a letter (written by a Marine)
    that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society.

    Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter....

    "The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
    If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.
    It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

    So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.
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    simple and well said

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    It is a nice article but applies only within a certain scope. An armed smaller person against an unarmed larger person, one armed person against multiple unarmed persons. As soon as the other persons are armed, especially in numbers, it no longer holds true.

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    This was actually written by Marko Kloos, an author who also has a blog called "The Munchkin Wrangler".

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    Lots of words of wisdom. It can all be summed up with the title and little more in the way of explanation. It is rather plain and simple.
    The Gun Is Civilization

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    Great final sentence..."So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced."
    Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”

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    I love the article, I respectfully disagree with the analogy though "The Gun is Civilization", no one thing is civilization. The gun might keep civilization on a equal footing, that I will can concur with.
    "I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"

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    "An armed society is a polite society"

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Great final sentence..."So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced."
    Does that mean we all have to carry the same caliber? Which one?
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    Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid... Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth

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    Well-written, thanks for sharing.

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    Nice article. It presents the argument well and I agree with the overall message.

    I do have an issue with the fact that he seems to equate reason and persuasion (since he uses them interchangeably in the first three paragraphs). There are many ways to persuade, but reason is only one. Emotional appeals such as, "Loan me some money. Come on, I'm your brother. Don't you love me?" are strong methods of persuasion and definitely do not rely on reason.
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