Man shot for stealing dog box in VA - no charges

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    Man shot for stealing dog box in VA - no charges

    http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-...marsh-road-cop

    I guess since he's a retired cop...
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    "Suffolk shooting not necessarily OK under Va. law"

    http://hamptonroads.com/2011/01/suff...k-under-va-law

    Not necessarily? With the law it's usually a yes or no.

    Even more fun comments in the article. Check the poll out too. When I voted, 79 % of the respondents want to make this legal.
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    Seems to me that if you go through life without stealing stuff, your odds of getting shot decrease.
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    Does VA have deadly force statutes? A very quick look didn't find anything relavant, nor does handgunlaw.us give any reference to the state having any.

    Maybe some one from the state can enlighten us.
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    "Claimed he was the victim of a drive by shooting" tells me all I need to know. The dirtbag was steeling, knew he was steeling, and as stevem174 says above.....

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    If you make the risk greater than the reward you won't have as many bad guys. They don't want to die and most don't mind jail time as its nothing new for them, almost a family reunion for some or hang out time with their buddies where they learn what it was taht got them caught in the first place. IMHO stiffer penalites would deter alot of crime as well as armed "victims" in each home would help I think.

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    I can't have sympathy for the thief... just can't. However, I think a baseball bat would have sufficed.

    Don't think it's good to shoot or kill someone over a dog box.... but he could have taken a bat and whacked him a litlte if he tried to run away and held him until police arrived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevem174 View Post
    Seems to me that if you go through life without stealing stuff, your odds of getting shot decrease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    Does VA have deadly force statutes? A very quick look didn't find anything relavant, nor does handgunlaw.us give any reference to the state having any.

    Maybe some one from the state can enlighten us.
    From what I always remembered was that you had to be in fear of imminent bodily harm or death of yourself or another. VA's self defense "laws" are all based in case law and common law.
    See here:
    http://www.vcdl.org/pdf/Virginia-self-defense-cases.pdf
    This VA Appeals ruling should help as well...(the real meat between justifiable and excusable homicide starts around page 5)
    http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinio...wp/0186091.pdf

    Although searching around the VA Code some more I found a tidbit I never noticed before...rather interesting. I never noticed or must have glanced over that OR PROPERTY part.
    18.2-280. Willfully discharging firearms in public places.
    D. This section shall not apply to any law-enforcement officer in the performance of his official duties nor to any other person whose said willful act is otherwise justifiable or excusable at law in the protection of his life or property, or is otherwise specifically authorized by law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    I can't have sympathy for the thief... just can't. However, I think a baseball bat would have sufficed.

    Don't think it's good to shoot or kill someone over a dog box.... but he could have taken a bat and whacked him a litlte if he tried to run away and held him until police arrived.
    You think a bat would not be considered deadly force? If I am going to use deadly force I would pick the one that would best keep me safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevem174 View Post
    Seems to me that if you go through life without stealing stuff, your odds of getting shot decrease.
    +1
    And to those that say that no TV or dog box or other property is worth a life. Answer me this.
    Why don't folks bring criminals home from the store instead of a TV? If criminals are worth so much wouldn't we all want one? My neighbor is a criminal I would not trade my car for him.

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    I'd say Mr Duck was rather fond of his dog box and/or was planning on going hunting in the morning ? Can't stand a theif, and a lucky one at that.
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    Anybody find that the Shooters last name was "Duck" kinda funny.
    Here in Texas you can be shot for theft during the night
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    I just find it amazing that with VA law a guy can basically come into my house, and I can tell him to stop or I'll shoot, I have a gun, get out Frances, but as long as there are no threats to my life he can just continue to go through my house with his hands up, and go through my drawers looking for stuff taking whatever he wants, and the walk out the door, and I can't shoot him. Well I mean I can shoot him but I would be facing charges for attempted murder. It's ridiculous, and the more liberal judges would lean to charge me rather than the robber.
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    We need to have a law in this state that allows this. I'm sure that crime would go down......
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