This is a discussion on My Wife Handles Situation with 9mm within the Home (And Away From Home) Defense Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Bark'n Here's the deal as I see it. You ask what would have happened if he didn't stop approaching her (and I ...
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Overall sounds like you gotta heck of a lady there guarding your loved ones, provided she doesn't sacrifice herself in the process.. Like GM10mm, stated. Stay in the house and guard your six. You can't hear someone entering from the back if you're out in the front. Stay safe out there!
She did good.
I suspect he came to burgle the house and was surprised when your wife confronted him.
He could have had a knife, or pocket pistol. Assume he IS armed.
Maybe time for a gate.
Last edited by Guns and more; September 8th, 2011 at 12:58 PM.
I'll state uncategorically that all those who chose to deploy the handgun, and NOT a camera or a cell phone (while defending in place with a handgun, checked, loaded and ready) are:
1. Blood thirsty
4. testosterone poisoning victims
6. Plain stupid.
In case anyone doesn't follow my argument.
What we have now is an unidentified person who allegedly was on this woman's property. She has no proof. If she shoots him claiming he came back again, it would be her word against his. If she WENT OUTSIDE, confronted and shot an unarmed man who can easily claim being lost, she would have gone to JAIL.
OTOH, if she had gotten a photo of the plates THROUGH THE KITCHEN WINDOW (for ex.) (against the backdrop of her fence or property) the guy's face (again in context of on her property, barn in the background, say), then she'd have a reportable crime and could begin to feel she had done due diligence and the guy would be on the police's radar WHEN (not IF) he gets bolder and repeats this kind of thing.
Going outside and confronting is the height of stupidity, imo. Confronting armed -ALONE- is even worse, because some people will make you shoot them. If you miss, they get the gun, your kids' safety is now on the line. I seriously doubt this woman was trained to FIGHT using a handgun and thought (duh) because she had a gun she could use it properly without training. In EXTREMIS, hell yes, use the handgun. Here - not so much. Better devices prevail with HG as a back up. Note that she also revealed her gun, giving the alleged predator too much information. Never reveal your knife or gun prior to a fight - pull it to use it - period.
OTOH if she shoots him on his second visit because he was a life treat that time also, then the first visit would not be of much significance.
I am guessing you don't live in a very rural setting...
1. You're assuming that he was innocent.
2. I don't know what state this was but all states don't have front plates. The OP stated the van stopped in front of the garage, so how were you going to photograph the plates from inside?
3. Let's say he wanted to do harm. I guess a nice picture of the killer (after the fact) would help the police, but not the victim.
4. She did not show the gun until he moved towards her, why would he do that if he was lost? I'd say, "Oh, sorry, and be on my way. Actually if I was lost, I wouldn't get out of the car." How do you explain that he drove past 4 "No Trespassing " signs?
5. Do you really want to wait until the guy is inside your home before you say anything.
6. This was way in the country, cops not going to save anyone.
7. She did not aim at him. People in the country know how do handle themselves.
She did good.
He was up to no good.
When you walk through a bad neighborhood, do you bring a camera?
Sounds like she handled the situation well. This guy could have been up to something. Failure to follow her instructions was a definite red flag.
Still, I would have got a description and called local law enforcement out to the house and filed a report immediately after he left.
Not sure about the law in Maryland, but in SC brandishing (pointing or presenting) a firearm even while on your own property can be troublesome. And technically this guy could have filed a complaint or even claimed she pointed it at him (his word against hers).
In my experience, a handgun contained in a holster would not constitute presenting a firearm. Of course neither would a concealed handgun.
Either way, it's potentially a slippery slope to confront strangers on your property this way. IMO, and in such a case, it's better to program local law enforcements number in your phone and have your wife stay in the house, arm herself, and call for a deputy/officer to check him out. This way he'll be much less likely to return to your home attempting to seek some sort of retribution against you, knowing there's a record of his former presence.
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Easy for people to ignore signs.
I also live out in the sticks.
I have a gate where the public property ends and the private property begins. I put it up when I was building my house. A 12 footer, the kind you get at tractor supply. One of the best things I ever did.
Makes a big difference when you know strange folks or drunks aren't going to be driving down your driveway at night.
Keeps the traveling sales types away as well.
I used to deliver plumbing supplies to a contractor that lived "in the sticks" at the end of a long lane with No Trespassing signs along the way.. the last sign read as follows:
"If you must enter these premises illegally,
please remove dentures, prosthesis, and eyegalsses.
Our dobermans find them hard to digest."
On my first delivery, I was VERY leery... the Mrs. told me that the dobes were the biggest babies in the world, and wouldn't harm a fly.. She was right, they were very friendly... But I'm sure the signs discouraged the literate who happened down the wrong lane...
As to the game cams... How do you get them to delay until the car has passed to get the plate? Don't they just snap the pic when the IR beam (or whatever the trigger is) is broken/disturbed?
I'm out in the sticks myself, just close to the road... I'm all about stay in the house, call 911, hunker in the bunker. The stuff ain't worth a life... but if they decide to bring it into the defensive area (the bedroom), they're done.
The OP's wife did good. She coulda done better. And I'm sure she will next time... Good learning experience for all of us.
It could be worse!