Another IHOP shooting Durham, NC
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Durham, N.C. — Two women told WRAL News that gunfire started at a Durham IHOP on Saturday ...
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October 12th, 2011 02:19 AM
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Another IHOP shooting Durham, NC
IHOP diners hid under tables as bullets flew
Durham, N.C. — Two women told WRAL News that gunfire started at a Durham IHOP on Saturday after a group of customers was told they could not sit in a closed-off section of the restaurant.
The women, who asked that their names not be released, said some members of the group were upset and about five minutes later a man opened fire.
The women hid under booths as bullets flew through the restaurant at 1821 North Pointe Drive.
"You don't really know what to do. It's just good instinct to just get down on the floor," one witness said.
Police said that two off-duty Durham County sheriff's deputies working at the IHOP had asked the man, who had been arguing, to leave the restaurant around 3:25 a.m., shortly before he returned and opened fire, killing Delia Allen, 46, and injuring another man.
IHOP diners hid under tables as bullets flew :: WRAL.com
In this situation with deputies already present I think the only course of action would be to take cover and try to get out of the line of fire. Attempting to engage the shooter may cause you to be mistaken as a second shooter.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."
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October 12th, 2011 02:19 AM
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October 12th, 2011 06:57 AM
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I would agreed with you that engaging the BG would be a great confusion, and likely over in a few seconds!
But, if the situation began an extend exchange and the Officers were being gun down or outgunned, I would "likely" engage the BGs at that point until back-up arrived. My rational would be that after the BGs dropped the cops, they might shoot any witnesses, like myself. I would see how the situation was swaying before getting involved. IMHO
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October 12th, 2011 09:35 AM
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Some people just need to be put down for their own good!
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October 12th, 2011 09:35 AM
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Should go to Waffle House; it doesn't allow guns.

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October 12th, 2011 09:51 AM
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The unidentified shooter fled from the scene. Investigators have only a very general description of him.
Two officers working there and they can't get a good description? They need to practice their observation skills.
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October 13th, 2011 07:54 AM
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Uh, let's see............Time of crime: 3.25AM...........Let's all say it again...............
"Nothing good ever happens after midnight."
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October 13th, 2011 12:43 PM
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I heard on the radio this morning (station local to Durham), that they finally caught the guy.
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October 13th, 2011 06:56 PM
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Update
Man arrested, charged in fatal IHOP shooting
DURHAM (WTVD) -- Durham police have arrested and charged a man in connection with a fatal shooting at an IHOP restaurant.
Delia Allen of Lancaster Street in Durham was apparently an innocent bystander when a man who had been ordered from the Guess Road restaurant shortly before 3:25 a.m. Saturday by two off-duty Durham County sheriff's deputies allegedly returned with a gun and started firing.
The 46-year-old was a single mother raising her teenage daughter. Another man in the restaurant was grazed by a bullet, but wasn't seriously hurt.
On Thursday, police announced that investigators arrested 21-year-old Jerry Lee Adams Jr. of Seven Oaks Road in Durham and charged him with murder and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious injury.
Adams turned himself in to authorities late Wednesday night. He has been placed in Durham County Jail without bond.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=8390055
Being no stranger to the law maybe this time he will be gone for a very long time.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."
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October 13th, 2011 10:02 PM
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"you can't fix stupid" .
But, it's one of the reasons many of us carry, because there are idiots like this out there.
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October 13th, 2011 10:10 PM
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There is no way to really stop this type of unpredicted, and instantaneous shooting. Deputies were already present, but failed to put this dirtbag down and he was able to escape.
Any time...any place...life holds no guarantees...stay alert, stay safe!
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