He was a good guy, but died while being bad. Sympathy getting hard to find nowadays.

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    He was a good guy, but died while being bad. Sympathy getting hard to find nowadays.

    Fayetteville Police Make Arrest In Deadly Home Invasion - KFSM

    Man killed inFayetteville, Ark. home invasion identified - ky3.com

    More in the local news that the gestapo won't post for free anymore. Local newspapers lead folks to pity of the dead criminal. What we all know is that any criminal that threatens to take another life is better off not costing us taxpayers money. In the end, their death at the hand of good citizens sends a message to would be criminals and the risks of home invasions or robberies have gone up statistically. You don't want to die? Then don't try!

    I was absolutely sickened when I read the local newspaper's take on the expired home invader. Now I know the media is soft on everything. No backbone...just selfish sales. Humanity? It's in your face every day. Compassion is like respect...it's earned. 21 years can't wash out what's been done. RIP home invader. Who you were is of no matter now.

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    Glorifying the criminal was a trend started too long ago. Nothing should be said about the dead criminal outside of they died while at work. Hazardous job conditions led to their demise.

    What was so hazardous? An honest, and armed, homeowner.

    Although, the first article alludes to some illicit activities going on. No mention of such things should be made unless their is an actual arrest. Too much innuendo gets published in the news these days.

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    It does seem like the worst serial killers make the best neighbors. At least that's what the neighbors say after the arrest. "I can't believe it! He was so NICE!"
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    Should have shot them all.
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    I agree that the media too often allows opinion to color their stories and that criminals are portrayed as victims while the legitimate actions of victims are made to seem excessive or even criminal. This is an example of poor/lazy journalism or possibly moral confusion on the part of the person doing the reporting.

    Sometimes, it can be hard to find the right balance between righteous anger at the criminal's actions, versus the the regret when any life is cut short. I was taught and believe that all men and women are children of God, that we're all spiritually brothers and sisters, and that life is a precious gift. So, when someone's life is ended in the commission of a crime, it's a tragedy, but one that they brought upon themselves by the choices that they made. We are all free to make our own decisions, but we have to live (or die) with the consequences of those choices.

    If one of my brothers or sisters threatens me or my family, I will stop the threat. If that causes them to die, I will regret the fact that I was placed in that situation and might wish that things could have turned out differently, but I will not fail to take action. I've made that decision already, so there will be no hesitation if the situation arises. Hopefully, it never will.

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    We had virtually the same thing happen in town this past Thanksgiving. Huge coverage of the little no-goodnicks funeral "Such a good boy", "he had a big heart", "Just made a bad decision"...made me sick as well...If he was such a big-hearted, "good" boy, he never would have made the bad decision to be part of the home invasion entry crew, and he never would of gotten shot and killed by his own gangsta buddy...but nobody seems to draw that connection...
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    One less criminal around trying to break in homes. Somehow that makes me feel good..
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    Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.

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    Guess the guy should have invested more of his time in being good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadsnugun View Post
    We had virtually the same thing happen in town this past Thanksgiving. Huge coverage of the little no-goodnicks funeral "Such a good boy", "he had a big heart", "Just made a bad decision"...made me sick as well...If he was such a big-hearted, "good" boy, he never would have made the bad decision to be part of the home invasion entry crew, and he never would of gotten shot and killed by his own gangsta buddy...but nobody seems to draw that connection...
    This reminds me of a former co-worker who he and his wife made an explicit point of disciplining their son telling him, "you are not bad, you made a bad choice". Somehow I think that this is product of some sort of societal trend. One that is hopefully reversing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    This reminds me of a former co-worker who he and his wife made an explicit point of disciplining their son telling him, "you are not bad, you made a bad choice". Somehow I think that this is product of some sort of societal trend. One that is hopefully reversing.
    I hope it is reversing too, unfortunately I see no indications of it, if the school system or the news media are any example. I say call 'em like you see 'em, then our youth will know the expectations that they're required to live up to in the real world, they'll also know the derision that they'll be looked upon with, should they make too many of those "bad decisions".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    Should have shot them all.
    Lol, he tried, unfortunetely he shot himself instead! How does that happen? I guess drawing his gun
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    The school system isn't necessarilly failing because the educational model is bad.

    It can/could be failing because the kids were never taught to work for anything, and that there actions have no consequences. I'm seeing that quite often in the school district that I work for, and I am in the IT Department.

    If the family structure is not there to teach kids how to live responsibly, then the teachers are pretty much all that is left too. It's a really disturbing trend. It's getting so bad the teachers are almost unable to teach at times. They are starting to welcome the kids who are problematic being habitual truants so they can teach the remaining kids.

    Which is pretty sad. Now the goverment wants to leave no kid behind. Well, I say screw that. We are spending an inordinate amount of money on a percentage of kids who don't care about anyhting, and nothing will motivate them except abject failure. Let them fail. Work with the kids who want to improve themselves. We need to toss out the NCLB philosophy, and go back to what worked more often. More importantly, the older philosophy was cheaper too because we focused on the good and went with it.

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    So now I guess the Victim is the Bad Guy??. Love how the libertards try to turn things around to get sympathy for the poor boy just trying to turn his life around. Disgusting!!!.

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    Unfortunately media talking about how "good" a criminal "was" is just another method of justifying his past actions. Got to love the catch phrases.

    "He was really a good person, turning their life around." Sure.

    Or "Nobody knew he was doing this kind of stuff". Really?

    From the dead perps family "He didn't deserve to be shot, he wouldn't have hurt anyone." You think? Can we take action against you as well if he does "hurt" someone in the commission of a crime? Would you say that if you were somehow made responsible for his actions? I wonder what the answer to that would be.

    And the famous, "He really wasn't doing something bad enough to get shot! They had no right to shoot him!" Ok, it's late at night or early morning. You crash into my home, you are attempting to steal what you can put your greasy hands upon and you also may be armed and might very well use that weapon on me or a member of my family. Do you seriously think I'm going to say, "Go ahead, steal my stuff and potentially kill one of us, you really are not doing something bad enough to get shot!"

    Last but not least, "He didn't like guns, we never knew he even had one." Bovine Feces to the 10th power.
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    The trouble with our society in modern times is that we strive mightily to alleviate the fear of retribution as if such fear is a bad thing that warps human psyches. We seem to collectively feel that no one should have to endure any fear of retribution for any of their actions whether it be criminals, our own children, or terrorists and terrorist nations. The instillation of a healthy fear of retribution is a good thing. There is nothing wrong with just retribution. It's Biblical and it's practical. It is a proper tool for rearing children, a proper tool for regulating society, and a proper tool for protecting a nation.

    So, why do Americans fight against fear of retribution?
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