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    First off I'm with oneshot, call the department and see if these "officers" are legit. You would be surprised at how many home invasions use the police ruse. You can buy almost any police gear on line or over the phone now a days. Most reputable police supply companies won't ship police specific items unless they have your ID on file, but there are those who don't care as long as the money is good. After you know they are actual police then opening the door is up to you.
    Second you said something happened today. What was it? Was it similar to the situation above? In your situation I would move as soon as the house is built and all the paperwork settles. With your family at stake I hope your house doesn't take too long to build. Stay safe.


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    Good luck finding a new place..IMO you made all the right moves....I admire that you advised you where carrying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Knight View Post
    First off I'm with oneshot, call the department and see if these "officers" are legit. You would be surprised at how many home invasions use the police ruse. You can buy almost any police gear on line or over the phone now a days. Most reputable police supply companies won't ship police specific items unless they have your ID on file, but there are those who don't care as long as the money is good. After you know they are actual police then opening the door is up to you.
    Second you said something happened today. What was it? Was it similar to the situation above? In your situation I would move as soon as the house is built and all the paperwork settles. With your family at stake I hope your house doesn't take too long to build. Stay safe.
    I think this would be the preferred approach, but I wonder if you would have had time or if they would have gotten impatient and busted in on you first?

    I am also curious where they got the tip and how they got the wrong address.

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    Good to answer door though not required to "step outside". Once you step outside you are in their court and lose any advantage and most of your rights. I would have remained inside and told them that they clearly have the wrong apt and tell them to check their information again. If they insisted, I would politely suggest they get a warrant and close the door.

    Nothing worse than amped up cops with incorrect information or wrong address.

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    Glad it turned out ok for you. That was a hell of a way to start the new year! Some Apartments have the last name on the door under the peep hole. I'd put my name on the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCrulesU View Post
    Good to answer door though not required to "step outside". Once you step outside you are in their court and lose any advantage and most of your rights. I would have remained inside and told them that they clearly have the wrong apt and tell them to check their information again. If they insisted, I would politely suggest they get a warrant and close the door.

    Nothing worse than amped up cops with incorrect information or wrong address.
    Good luck with that. I disagree. While I may not go outside, I certainly wouldn't close the door on them. That would just result in a busted door. (But then, I don't rent, so until they found out they were wrong, and processed paperwork, it would be a while before they paid for the replacement.)

    They're gonna come in, invited or with force... So, after confirming they are legit with the 911 call, they will be allowed in. But chances are, they won't feel the need because dispatch is telling them to get their Barney Fife fannies to the correct address. It ain't me they're looking for.

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    As soon as I hear: "Austin Police you need to open up!" I will respond with, "I am calling 911 right now to confirm your identity, you have the wrong address, but I will let you in as soon as I have confirmation." (and I'll have the phone on speaker; in an apartment, they'll hear it.)
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    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    And of course you never hear any statistics reported about how many wrongful arrests, shootings or detentions are scored by the authorities but you sure hear about accidental shootings, gun violations and anything to do with law-abiding citizens and guns.
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    Got to agree with Oakchas. "Absent pursuit or emergency circumstance a warrant is required" call of suicidal man, beating wife would probably fit that. You close the door in their face it will get kicked right back open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    Got to agree with Oakchas. "Absent pursuit or emergency circumstance a warrant is required" call of suicidal man, beating wife would probably fit that. You close the door in their face it will get kicked right back open.
    I would love too. I'd have a nice little law suit started the next day. It's their JOB to he sure they have the right address...at minimum...before thwy start kicking in doors and shooting the place up.

    No "Oops, we're sorry" is going to cut it. Call my attorney and file suit the next am. No matter to me. Nothing but time.

    JBT's need to get their info correct. They'd be paying for more than the door. Kick my door in and more than a few of us not going home that night. Either way...suits me just fine. Gotta go sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCrulesU View Post
    I would love too. I'd have a nice little law suit started the next day. It's their JOB to he sure they have the right address...at minimum...before they start kicking in doors and shooting the place up.

    No "Oops, we're sorry" is going to cut it. Call my attorney and file suit the next am. No matter to me. Nothing but time.

    JBT's need to get their info correct. They'd be paying for more than the door. Kick my door in and more than a few of us not going home that night. Either way...suits me just fine. Gotta go sometime.
    That sounds like you're saying that even after you KNOW they are the Police, if they kick in your door, you would start shooting? Is that what you're saying? I hope I misunderstood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCrulesU View Post
    I would love too. I'd have a nice little law suit started the next day. It's their JOB to he sure they have the right address...at minimum...before thwy start kicking in doors and shooting the place up.

    No "Oops, we're sorry" is going to cut it. Call my attorney and file suit the next am. No matter to me. Nothing but time.

    JBT's need to get their info correct. They'd be paying for more than the door. Kick my door in and more than a few of us not going home that night. Either way...suits me just fine. Gotta go sometime.
    Call your attorney who is going to tell you to call your homeowners insurance carrier.
    Unless you can show that they were actually given the correct location and went to your place instead you are going to have a tough time finding a lawyer who will give you more than five minutes on that one. All you have to prove is that with the information the officers had at they time they arrived at your door a reasonable person would have known they were at the wrong location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    That sounds like you're saying that even after you KNOW they are the Police, if they kick in your door, you would start shooting? Is that what you're saying? I hope I misunderstood.
    I would also like to know the answer to these questions...

    Originally Posted by NYCrulesU View Post
    I would love too. I'd have a nice little law suit started the next day. It's their JOB to he sure they have the right address...at minimum...before thwy start kicking in doors and shooting the place up.

    No "Oops, we're sorry" is going to cut it. Call my attorney and file suit the next am. No matter to me. Nothing but time.

    JBT's need to get their info correct. They'd be paying for more than the door. Kick my door in and more than a few of us not going home that night. Either way...suits me just fine. Gotta go sometime.


    Sir this is one of the most irresponsible posts I have ever read. I think you should check yourself right now, before you do something stupid.
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    Seems like some PDs have the same problem finding correct addresses as the USPS does.

    Sounds like some caller, fed up with the racket, called in and said, "I think it's Apt. XXX." and the cops went there, which was yours.
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    As far as the "fake police" go... I think as long as I saw police cars outside, I'd be convinced. I think it would be pretty rare for a crook to not only dress up as a police officer, but have other "officers" with him and legit-looking police cars.
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    All of us are at a distinct disadvantage in an apartment/condo.
    I maintain that the single best investment for home security is a fence.
    Not because the fence keeps out anyone, but because the fence is a boundry.
    Even with the wrong address the police can't go through the fence without a warrant (arrest or search warrants), unless they have strong (and the courts do mean strong)
    evidence of on-going crime or violence.
    Very few LEO's will scale a fence on a domestic call.

    As to BG's, the fence is extremely helpful for whether you need to deploy force or not.
    Outside the fence, leave them alone.
    Inside the fence, they are there to do violence to you or your family.
    (And sure we can play around with that....drunken brother-in-law scales fence, etc, etc....but that why we have that thing called judgement)

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