This is a discussion on 12 gauge vs .40 cal vs 5.56 for home defense within the Home (And Away From Home) Defense Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by MattInFla Birdshot is for birds. There are precisely zero serious trainers out there who advocate birdshot for defense. Some shot is more ...
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If you have a family member downrange, then you might have to go for birdshot and accept the limitations of that round. Find a load around #2 or #4 birdshot in Federal's "Flite Control" line so you can maximize the effect of it. Don't just throw in whatever load of low brass 7 1/2 is on sale at Wal Mart.
It's not the best option, but the "experts" who preach bonded bullets, ARs, and OO buck aren't shoting in the same direction as your kid's room.
And you can also arrange furniture to maximize cover. A bookshelf full of books can solve a lot of your problems.
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I've considered purchasing and AR. Currently, I have several semi auto's (G19, G36, Colt Commander LWT XSE, Kimber Tactical II, a DB9) Additionally, I have an 870 and a Judge.
My concern with using the AR for HD, should I miss, is it ability exit my home and penetrate my neighbors home.
For those of you that have an AR is that a valid concern?
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My rifle and pistol are tools, I am the weapon.
i am in the country so penetration is not a problem...but since i cut my teeth on a shotgun i would prefer to use it...and when you can put down 4 quail in a single rise with a Pump Winchester Model 12......
Unless you have trained to clear a house with a longun or handgun for that matter you best bet is to hunker down and wait for the cavalry.
I personally have a specific handgun, M&P .45 with a WML for use in the house. Should I feel the need for a long gun I would grab my AR or other 5.56 variant instead of a shotgun but that is just personal choice.
Should you choose a shotgun I would recomend sticking with some sort of buckshot in either standard or reduced recoil variety. No offense to anyone but birdshot is not really suitable for home defense. Yes it can be used but simply may not be effective. Would/could it deter a home intruder if hit center mass sure but it is simply not the best choice.
At room distances the pattern is very small. Generally speaking from a standard 18 inch barrel home defense gun a pattern will disperse approx 1 inch per yard of distance so in a say a hallway 15 feet long the patten would only be 5 inches or so in diameter. I also do not advocate mixing buck and slugs due to the simple fact in the heat of the moment you will not be keeping track of rounds fired or what is up next. If anything mount a side saddle with slugs should you feel the need to use them.
The other factor with a shotgun is recoil and muzzle blast which in most cases would be a lot to handle in a closed enviroment but that goes for any weapon fired indoors.
I have used speciality ammunition on entries before such as TAP or Ballistic Silvertips but normally I simply use 55 gr ball or HP in the rifle. All my weapons have a light mounted for simplicity but again that is a personal choice. This is one variation of my AR setup. I use a Redi Mod or Redi Mag setup so there is always a reload available.
One of my bunker weapons that family members use is a GSG .22. I am not stating that the .22 is the best for home defense but 30 rounds of HV .22 ammo may deter whomever is intent on causing harm. Low muzzle flash, no recoil and high capacity all work in there favor.
Ultimately the choice is yours but the key is preplanning the event. Go out and look, bunker in with the family each has there pros and cons. Remember the firearm is simply the tool it is up to you to have the mindset and ability to complete the plan.
"A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013
If I wake up to the sounds of an intruder, and the house is pitch black, I'd use a handgun, unless I stay in the bedroom, then I'd keep a Mossberg trained on the door.
I'm not interested in finding out how bad my ears bleed from an interior shot using 556 since hearing is important, same can be said in regards to a shotgun. If you're actively engaging whoever is in your house, too much blast can daze you just enough that you become vulnerable to his accomplice that you didn't initially see off to your side (or behind you).
Never assume there's just one bad guy inside your home in that situation.
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Start with the subjects on the Original Chapters page.
I won't even go into all the things wrong here. I will say that some folks on here have it right. The rest need to go take a good defensive shotgun, carbine, or even pistol class. It might save your life. It will almost certaintly reduce some of the misinformation.