Better home defense for middle of the night: Shotgun or Handgun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdBro View Post
    why do you think my hearing is already hammered? The muffs i use to hunt are electronic and allow for sound amplification while shutting down for gun blasts actually. they are wonderful (and warm), but I don't need to keep half my hunting gear next to my bed. aside from my wife being like ***, i don't want to fumble ear muffs in the pitch black in a tense situation, make sure they are on the right way, make sure they are turned on while also grabbing other things.
    You're clearly not looking for opinions that don't agree with what you already think you know. Every suggestion given in response to your OP inquiry has been met with your next argumentative counterpoint. Here are some questions for you. Have you ever fired a gun, any gun, indoors without ear protection? Have you trained & drilled in any dwelling-clearing exercises? Have you read reputable reports on the stopping power & wall penetration of various firearm options? 'Cause the advice you're getting & the tone of your responses suggest...no.

    If you don't want to deploy a long gun, don't. If you think your hearing is razor-sharp & indestructible, great. If you think a 9mm handgun approaches the stopping power of a social shotgun or carbine, you go on. I'm done here.
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    AR15 with a good HD round like Winchester PDX1.

    But since I can't get to it as quickly as my handgun, handgun it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    AR15 with a good HD round like Winchester PDX1.

    But since I can't get to it as quickly as my handgun, handgun it is.
    yeah, good thinking.

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    Better home defense for middle of the night: Shotgun or Handgun?

    I forget where I saw the tests but the 556/223 rounds will penetrate less layers of household wall material (Sheetrock/air/Sheetrock) than most handgun rounds and shotgun rounds

    Maybe at box of truth?


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    Easy...both.
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    and a handgun on nightstand.

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    Better home defense for middle of the night: Shotgun or Handgun?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdBro View Post
    why would i damage my ears? i've fired shotguns and handguns without ear protection before. usually it's by accident, sometimes it's while duck hunting and i realize i left my ear protection in my chair as ducks are flying by and say 'screw it". it rings but hasn't DAMAGED my hearing. also, like i said, handguns seem to be way louder than shotguns (at least to me)
    ask any audiologist. if your ears are ringing, you've damaged your hearing. maybe not a lot or even noticeable but the effects are cumulative.
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    well my ears are always slightly ringing...sooo

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    Better home defense for middle of the night: Shotgun or Handgun?

    that sucks. I'm sure we could all do a better job taking care of what's left of our hearing. that being said, hearing protection is not part of my home defense scenario. if I have time, I'm going for my shotgun. if not, there's a handgun on every level of my home ready to go.

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    In the house any weapon is going to be real loud. Damage hearing a bit and live I chose live. I wear hearing aids now side effect of Army life. Hand gun, shot gun depends on your comfort level with each. How many others maybe in the house. No one can tell you what to use just offer things to think about. I have both but hand gun is in reach. Bubba comes in you garb your AR instead of the double barrel shot gun, so what shoot and shoot again when he stops you stop. same plan .223,5.56, 45 38 9mm 12g

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    I try to have both ready at all times. My plan is to have my pistol if I need to go across the house to get my boys. My shotgun is waiting in my closet if we need to hole up and wait for the police.

    BTW, my closet is also our tornado shelter/safe room. It has 1 ft. thick concrete walls and a steel door with 3 deadbolts.
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    For me, I choose the shotgun and the Mrs. gets a handgun. I wait at a chokepoint if anything is actually happening. 9 rds of 00 buck in a hallway sized area will ruin someone's day if they are dumb enough to not retreat.
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    Years of flying mostly in minimal pressurized airplanes, my second occupation woodworking with routers etc., shooting in all sorts of conditions, I wear very powerful hearing aids from the cumulative effects. It sucks big time. My hearing aids do have an ~80 db cutoff so that is better than not wearing them.

    Now about the OP. IMHO: Anyone trying to clear their house without adaquate training is a fool. Get yourself and family into a secure place with locks, telephone, weapons, and chocolate bars. Lock the Door, call 911 keep on the phone with the dispatcher and the indirectly with the cops, enjoy the chocolate bars and just set there and wait. If anyone tries to get through the door, blast away with everything you have. A new door won't cost much.
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    Here's my experience I wrote about several months ago and what I learned (Long Read)

    WOULDN'T EVER HAPPEN TO ME


    The wife and I were deep asleep when this ear piercing sound woke us up. Coming out of such a deep sleep, it took me a moment to realize it was the wailing of our ADT burglar alarm. If any of you have an ADT system with that ear piercing whistling siren, you know what Iím talking about. You can't communicate in person without yelling, much less hear a phone ring or communicate on a telephone.

    We have had this system for about a year and a half and have never had any false alarms. I was thinking of that and many other things as I grabbed my Remington 870 Express pump action 12 ga. Shotgun, loaded with 9 pellets of 00 buckshot leaning next to the chest of drawers. I quickly realized as I cautiously rounded the bedroom door the long gun is just too unwieldy for all the corners and configuration of my home. So I quickly back tracked and retrieved my Ruger SP101 .357 magnum revolver.

    I had never practiced clearing my home in the event of a home invasion, as I envisioned we would retreat to the master bedroom, call 9-1-1 and stand our ground in the bedroom until the Sheriff's department arrived. Our children are grown and flew the coop, so no one should be here other than my wife and I.

    Shaking hands and somewhat confused on what to do next, not being able to hear anything because of the ear-piercing siren, I decided the siren had to be turned off because it could not be tolerated for any length of time, and I couldn't hear to make a phone call. The single alarm control panel is located in the kitchen at the opposite end of the house. The siren is located on the hallway wall half way between our master bedroom and kitchen control panel.

    As I slowly and carefully made my way down the hall while checking for intruders, the siren was actually hurting my ears, and my hands were shaking. We always keep a living room lamp light on so I did not grab my Surefire flashlight kept next to the revolver. After checking the living room, dining room and kitchen and seeing it was clear, I disabled the siren. What a head relief!

    Fortunately having a pair of reading glasses near the alarm control panel I checked the code on the read out. Code 02, basement motion detector. This is where I always suspected to be the most logical place for a BG to enter. The motion detector immediately activates the alarm, not the 45 second count down for the windows and doors.

    At that moment the telephone in the living room rings, we donít have a phone in the bedrooms. Iím certain itís ADT calling about the alarm. The wife had followed me down a few moments later.

    The door leading to the basement has the standard doorknob lock, a dead bolt and one of those useless chain things with the tiny screws securing it. I told the wife to answer the phone as I am covering the basement door hoping no one will come barging through. The ADT person tells my wife, ďwe have received an alarm from your address, Code 02 basement motion detector, what is your password?Ē The wife is relaying this information to me as my eyes are trained on the basement door. Fortunately with the adrenaline dump and shaking hands I remembered the password.

    The ADP person asked my wife, ďare you going to check the basement or do you want us to send the police?Ē I thought for a momentÖ The best course of action was to get the police here quick. She informed my wife they are calling. It was probably 4-5 minutes from the time the alarm went off until ADT called, assuming I immediately awoke when the alarm went off.

    I have a police scanner sitting close to the alarm panel I seldom use and thought this was an opportune time to turn it on to monitor the Sheriffs progress. I live in EBFE and sure enough, the deputy sheriff called dispatch for directions to get here.

    The dispatcher called and informed my wife that the deputy was here and unchaining my driveway gate. The deputy later informed me it was policy to call the homeowner before arrival for safety reasons (home owner with gun). It took roughly 30 minutes for the deputy to arrive.

    While waiting for the police to arrive I happened to look at the clock, a few minutes after 3 A.M. Thinking to myself, from what Iíve read, two to three oíclock seems to be the prime time for home invasions. Like most other places, we have a county drug problem and allot of meth and crack heads.

    Seeing the police car head lights driving up my 200+ yard driveway, I pondered what to do with my handgun. Put it away or keep it near and cover it with a towel or something. Since he was on scene I felt comfortable enough to take it back where it came from.

    I didnít know if he would come to the front or back door so I turned on the front and back door lights and opened both the doors. He cautiously approached the back door and announced sheriffs department, sheriff's department and I made myself visible and told him to come in.

    I gave him a brief description of what happened and the alarm code. He told me the first bit of good news was my gate was closed and chained when he arrived (no pad lock, just a clip).

    He then cautiously opened the basement door with flashlight in hand, turned the basement light on and slowly started down the stairs. Iím thinking to myself, dude, you need to have your handgun drawn? Iím reasonably certain someone broke in and might still be there. But, Iím not about to say anything as he is the professional and is trained, itís my over active imagination probably.

    After what seemed to be an hour, but probably only 4-5 minutes, I hear the officer coming up the steps. He was down there for quite some time. Now Iím really wondering where they broke in from and how much damage was done. He asks me a couple questions about my garage door, something about if it locks? The single car garage is separated from the basement with a flimsy hollow door and dead bolt that was not locked.

    With great anticipation, he finally tells me everything looks secure and there was no break in. I canít tell you the relief my wife and I experienced at that news. It still took us a few hours to calm down before we could attempt to go back to bed as the sun was rising.

    Before departing, the deputy complemented me on my Liberty safe in the basement and we talked a good ten minutes on what could have caused a motion detector false alarm and crime statistics in my county, etc. before he left. A good guy!

    Lessons learned: While I am fortunate this was a false alarm and grateful for such, what if it was the real thing?

    After the deputy departed, one of my first thoughts was, I need to get me a good alert / guard dog. But in retrospect that might not be a good thing. I had a good alert dog at my previous residence but has since passed away from old age. We had the same ADP alarm system and my wife burnt something in the oven and set off the smoke alarm. The dog went crazy yelping and running around from the high pitch loud noise. Seems to me that would be one more distraction to deal with in an emergency?

    The shotgun is too unwieldy for me to use indoors with the configuration of my home. Guess Iíll put it back in the safe as it is a better outdoor defense gun, and I donít ďplanĒ on checking out or confronting anyone outdoors at night.

    I have a phone jack in the bedroom. I need to get a phone for it because thatís the number the police will call upon arrival, the telephone number the ADT people call and give the police.

    I have a set of electronic earmuffs in my range bag. Iím going to put them next to my home defense pistol. I wonder if they will muffle the ear piercing alarm? With the alarm off they do enhance your hearing significantly, which is an advantage.

    Most importantly, I need to get some training and work on my mind set. Instead of trembling hands, I should have been pissed someone has the balls to break into my home.

    For me anyway, seems my best laid plans went out the window when that alarm went off! It also a different story when itís daytime and youíre prepared and alert compared to at your most vulnerable, asleep in bed.

    In retrospect, I would have preferred to retreat / remain in the bedroom and defend us from there until the police arrived. But I had not anticipated having to communicate with the siren noise and having to make my way to the kitchen alarm panel.

    Prior to this incident my wife thought I was semi-paranoid keeping a self defense weapon close at all times in our home and my security measures. I think she now realizes in today's society it's not wise to get to secure or complacent even in the security of your own home.
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    If for some reason I had to leave the room in a HD situation I would take my 9mm, If I didn't have to I would probably sit in back with my AR loaded with PDX1s and watch the door. Like most things, it really depends on the situation tho.

    Edit: Thanks for sharing the story Dennis. It seems like that security system almost forced you to leave your room just to turn it off, Isn't there a way they can put a... control panel?.. in your bedroom too? In my opinion, the biggest advantage a home owner has is knowing every noise and creak of your house. I know what every door on the first floor sounds like when it opens or closes and every creak the stairs and floor make. Seems like the alarm would really ruin that advantage. But anyways, I agree, I don't think any long gun is practical for clearing an average house.
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    Shotgun - given the choice between the two. I prefer a rifle. Handguns are a crutch to get you away or two an effective weapon.

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