Wake County NC to consider unarmed guards for grade schools.

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    Well at least some politicians are using their heads.

    Wake commissioners blast idea of unarmed school guards :: WRAL.com
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    In my area we have armed deputies as School Resource Officers. Single deputies, tasked with dealing with everything and anything that comes up at the school. Not the same thing (IMO) as having a team dedicated to protecting the school property from wack jobs intent on causing problems like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary.

    It is better than nothing, but putting unarmed security guards doesn't accomplish much more than knee jerk peace of mind for politicians I'd say. An unarmed security guy can't face a threat. He shouldn't even be called a security guard. He should be called a "run like hell and hide" guy, because without the proper training and equipment, he's just another victim/target.

    Harden/Secure the schools with limited ingress/egress, locking "man trap" systems, and arm your team. It isn't that expensive, in the big picture. Now we're making positive progress I think.
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    Unarmed seems rather pointless. After all, they've already got unarmed staff all over the place, at the average school. It's not as though many of them have been able to stop truly violent things from happening, previously.
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    What is this UNarmed guard suppose to do, Die first?

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    ...were the schools to post "Concealed Carry Permit Holders Welcome Here" signs, the perception and the reality would improve greatly...
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    Parent volunteers would be just as effective as unarmed guards: and a lot less costly as well.

    A parent, even unarmed, is more likely to try to protect the kids, than someone making minimum wage to walk around in a uniform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by high pockets View Post
    Parent volunteers would be just as effective as unarmed guards: and a lot less costly as well.

    A parent, even unarmed, is more likely to try to protect the kids, than someone making minimum wage to walk around in a uniform.
    Yup.

    Back in the day, many parents would volunteer and donate time at the school, assisting with this or that for a few hours. In a grade school of ~30 classes of 20 students, we'd often see ~5-10 parents around the school helping in the library, helping teachers prepare materials, etc. This was over 40yrs ago, when dual-parent, single-income households seemed the norm and when the stay-at-home parent could afford to head to the school now and then. It was also prior to the range of bold and violent assaults we have these days.

    Though, I still think such volunteering of time could make a strong impact, particularly if in combination with allowing CHL teachers/administration to be armed on campus.
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    Maybe...................

    I hate to say this,and have NO evidence,but probably TOO MANY Northeast liberals have moved into the Raleigh area! The same groups I dealt with in uniform in NYC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old grunt View Post
    I hate to say this,and have NO evidence,but probably TOO MANY Northeast liberals have moved into the Raleigh area! The same groups I dealt with in uniform in NYC.
    Oh yeah, their here and unlike myself they seemed to have forgotten to leave their politics north of the mason-dixon line.
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    Re: Wake County NC to consider unarmed guards for grade schools.

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    ...an UNarmed guard is just a walking target...they just can't get it right, can they!!!
    No disrespect intended to anyone who works an honest job, but I have to second this.

    If you're wearing a uniform and a badge, you're high-vis, and considered a threat by the bad guy, regardless of whether or not you're armed.

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    That's like hiring Firemen with no water hoses or fire extinguishers. All they can do is stand there and say, "What a shame."
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    What is the difference between an unarmed guard and a teacher being assigned to watched the front door on a rotating shift? That's what they did at my high school, except it was called 'bus duty'
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    Unarmed guard = guard dog with its teeth pulled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lchamp View Post
    when a bad guy starts shooting, the unarmed guard can waggle his finger and say "no-no"...
    1 or 5 unarmed guards wouldn't have done much good in Newtown. What are these people thinking and where will they get these "protectors?"

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    I was really shocked to find out not everyone had a school cop. In both middle school and high school where I'm from have them. I didn't realize it wasn't like that everywhere. And it isn't bad around here and we still have them. For at least 15 years.

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