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    Just had a great conversation with an official.

    So long story short; family in Oklahoma, haven't seen in ~12 years, going to visit this summer.

    I've been doing some research, and making inquiries as to reciprocity and verifying the information I found online for a couple weeks now (since I found out this was definitely going to happen, and I didn't have to worry about any of this stuff last time I was there since I had JUST turned 8).

    I've been scouring the internet trying to get some good information on all the important stuff pertaining to carrying legally (which won't happen in Georgia or Alabama- no reciprocity with SC; sometimes looking at the maps and laws it almost seems hostile towards non-residents in those states), I eventually sent an email to someone in Oklahoma hoping to get a 'green light' and all is well.

    I just got off the phone with Ms. Day at the OSBI and she was friendly, well informed, and probably the most helpful official I've come across since I started carrying. Which is saying something because I've had to make a few calls to SLED, sent letters, and all but had to go to Columbia to say a few mean things.

    On a lesser note, I also made a call to Mississippi's weapons permits office. It wasn't all that informative-
    "I would like to check on traveling through from another state"
    "We have reciprocity with ALL states as long as you have a valid permit- Do you have a permit??"
    "Yes"
    "We have reciprocity with all states"
    Then we weren't on the phone with each other anymore...

    So, those of you in Oklahoma who might have a question about Oklahoma permit laws, I would recommend contacting Ms. Day; she seems to know not only what she's talking about, but how to interact with people without making them feel like they're wasting time- theirs or hers.
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    Next time, instead of phone calls, try Hangunlaw.US. We have a link to the site right at the top of the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions Forum. Since i am a superty duper nice guy I'll post another link here for your convenience:

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    It's nice to deal with someone who knows what they are doing and is polite in their interactions with the public. Rare these days, but nice just the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionround View Post
    It's nice to deal with someone who knows what they are doing and is polite in their interactions with the public. Rare these days, but nice just the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    Next time, instead of phone calls, try Hangunlaw.US. We have a link to the site right at the top of the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions Forum. Since i am a superty duper nice guy I'll post another link here for your convenience:

    Handgunlaw.us
    I checked there, and a few other sites, but I read the actual laws from their permit website and had a couple things I felt I needed to have clarified by someone who deals with them everyday.
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    I went to MS for a funeral a few weeks ago. Them accepting all permits seems pretty straightforward, no need for further questions. I reviewed the list of prohibited places, pretty much the same as here, and carried everywhere we went. In fact I carried an extra mag there, seemed really ghetto. Didn't interact with any LEO in any states during that trip (MS, LA, AR) so I couldn't tell ya how they were, but the law is pretty easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolvingMag View Post
    I checked there, and a few other sites, but I read the actual laws from their permit website and had a couple things I felt I needed to have clarified by someone who deals with them everyday.
    I wonder if Ms. Day would appear in court and represent you in the event the info was not quite accurate?

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    (which won't happen in Georgia or Alabama- no reciprocity with SC; sometimes looking at the maps and laws it almost seems hostile towards non-residents in those states)
    Alabama has reciprocity with all states that will recognize an Alabama permit. South Carolina does not recognize an Alabama permit, ergo Alabama will not recognize SC. However, that is changing, effective August 1, 2013. Alabama will recognize all out of state permits.
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    I generally have an interest in understanding WHY things are as they are.....With reciprocity I can gain no clue as to why it's so convoluted between states....It's so very simple...if you issue permits...accept permits....over and done..but no....ain't so.....got to be money involved somewhere....
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    I read an account of a guy several years ago who called a less-free state to inquire about travelling THROUGH the state legally with guns. Subsequently the State Police stopped him on a tip from the helpful OFFICIAL and charged him with a firearm violation.

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    I second the handgunlaw.us recommendation, but caution that it sometimes takes them a while to catch up. But the rule I've gathered on the issue is that states that recognize some out-of-state permits but not others generally do so on the basis of a training requirement. If you're from a state with no training requirement like Pennsylvania, and want to travel through a state like Ohio that only recognizes training-required out-of-state permits, you'll want a non-resident training-required permit from a state like Virginia or Florida. Virginia doesn't require you to actually be there or be trained there, just get the required training at your center of choice and fingerprints and send it all in. Nearly all states recognize the Virginia and Florida permit.

    By the way, kudos to the IL House which just approved a concealed carry law with full preemption! Not sure what chance it has in the Senate. Sure would be nice to drive through that state once again instead of around it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    I read an account of a guy several years ago who called a less-free state to inquire about travelling THROUGH the state legally with guns. Subsequently the State Police stopped him on a tip from the helpful OFFICIAL and charged him with a firearm violation.

    Trust nobody.
    Do you suppose he gave this "official" his vehicle description and tag number, dates, time, and travel route info just to make sure they stopped the right vehicle? That has internet lore all over it.
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