Very close call

Very close call

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    Very close call

    So tonight I drove to my local Applebee's to pick up my girlfriend and before I went into the store to get her I was in my truck finishing a burrito and as I was inhaling it I heard two men going at it (verbally). One of them did most of the yelling and cursing. I finished my burrito and got out of the truck and walked over and asked them politely to take their issues somewhere else. I told the one who was curing left and right that there were women standing near by and it would be courteous to quit with the language. He looked at me and started cursing at me.
    At that point I decided to walk into the restaurant an he came around the side of the railing and got in my face telling me if I got into his stuff again he would mess me up. I told his friends to control him and get him out of there. Now I know I could have simply called the police and let them take care of the situation which I did after we got back into the car BUT this whole time I was thinking about how I decided to leave my carry gun in the car. I tend to have that mind set that I will only be away from it for only five minutes but it only takes 1 second for a normal stop to turn south. I just wanted to share with everyone that having your gun on your side is the only way to have it with you. Leaving my gun in the lock box under the seat was useless. I'm glad it didn't escolate anymore but it made me think if it had I would have been that much more defenseless.
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    Gun or no gun I wouldn't jump pell mell into anything like you did especially in California. I've heard more than a few women in my life curse like drunken sailors...
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    I would have looked from afar . No need to get into that mess if it got further out of control then call the police . IMO
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    When I have my 5 year old with me if people are cursing I have said "Excuse me, there is a child right here, please do not cuss." I have always gotten an "Oh, I'm sorry."

    I hate to say it, but you put yourself in harms way by getting involved in a fight. Random adult ladies have likely heard off-color language before. Call a cop. Not your job. I am all for chivalry, but injecting yourself into a volatile situation to save tender ears? I will save my chivalry for opening doors and allowing ladies to go first...
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    I personally wouldn't of intervened at all. I would of did what I came there to do; pick up my lady friend, get her in the truck safely and leave. If two grown men want to have at it, so be it.

    Inserting yourself into situations like that can easily turn both parties against you for getting involved in their crap. A momentary truce of sorts, then it's back to business.. or drinks later since they "bonded" by stomping you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnmanca View Post
    I heard two men going at it (verbally).

    (I) walked over and asked them politely to take their issues somewhere else.

    He looked at me and started cursing at me.
    ... he came around the side of the railing and got in my face telling me if I got into his stuff again he would mess me up. I told his friends to control him and get him out of there.
    Bad call, I'd say. Close shave, definitely. But, one that was self-induced.

    Junkyard dog fights are never pretty. Invariably, one or more of the participants turns on you, the one who's trying to "do some good." Trouble is, with witnesses in such situations, YOU the interfering one are likely to be seen as the escalator. There's literally NO upside to getting embroiled in these things. If the language is bugging you, best option (IMO) is: cope. If the railing is occurring at the exit point where you're expecting your loved ones: head inside and escort them out to the car. If it gets vile and dire, with folks' lives at risk, then determine whether to call 911 and/or get involved, to the degree you're prepared to risk your very life to intercede.

    Ditto, on the sentiments of the others: bad call, getting directly involved in a situation with zero upside and much risk, all for an almost certain outcome of you becoming the perceived BG in the situation. Bad juju, my friend. It's a response that's going to get you in trouble at some point, if not with the law (which it very well might, seeing as how the witnesses will be stacked against you), then certainly with some junkyard doggies who don't take nicely to you injecting yourself in their little problem. "Mess you up" is the likely outcome, if you survive it at all.

    View it another way, perhaps: What was your "mission" at that point? To escort and protect your loved ones, and to get home safe. By breaking out of your mission parameters, you were threatening the whole thing. Wouldn't have been worth it, merely to have felt good (at best) about separating some cursing folk; wouldn't have been worth it at all, had you been thumped badly, or worse. Think about it, in terms of what the point of your waiting in the car was, and how that was all threatened by interceding at that moment because of cursing.
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    Sounds like you gave him even more reason to act out.
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    There is a "fine line" on the wisdom of getting involved or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevew View Post
    Sounds like you gave him even more reason to act out.
    I wouldn't go that far. Asking folks to be civil isn't escalating or giving cause, as such; certainly not from a legal standpoint. But, surely the violent in this world take such things that way, as this guy showed. Unsurprising, actually. "Junkyard dogs" are who they are, all too frequently.
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    If you were trying to provoke him to give you cause to get physical, you did very well. However, I don't get the sense that was your intent. If you are going to sell tickets, you better have an act.
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    I don't get it, we are all for our rights and not having them trampled on yet when someone is cussing we take offense and ask them to stop well I believe that freedom of speech is a right also. If one is not smart enough to speak without cussing and take their argument someplace else besides a parking lot there is probably nothing to do but ignore them or call the cops because as the OP found out all getting involved will do is shift who is involved in the altercation.
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    I too would have watched from a distance. I've intervened in fights before but, only after one has lost the ability to defend themselves - and that's just to say "enough". Grown men need to resolve their own problems. I'm not their Momma.

    This situation? I would have called the cops...if I did anything at all.
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