Your School Principal: sheep or sheepdog?

Your School Principal: sheep or sheepdog?

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    Your School Principal: sheep or sheepdog?

    I'm a school principal in a medium-sized high school in a rural area. Recently I have had discussions with some of my colleagues about what they would do in an active shooter scenario. I've been pleasantly surprised that quite a few have at least rudimentary plans to meet force with force. They will use whatever they have -- some have baseball bats in their offices, some have an edc knife tucked away, or they have some other improvised weapon(s) that they have identified.

    In my own situation, I have a great working relationship with my local cops. They know I am a sheepdog. They know I shoot (well). They know I think tactically, and we discuss tactics. Some have said if they are responding to a shooting in my school, they may pass off a gun to me or other staff. Some (most?) would advocate arming some of my teachers with proper training. They know that if something goes down in my school, I'll be running to the sound of gunfire with whatever weapon I can put my hands on.

    I'm shocked, however, at the party-line crap that is advocated by school security "experts" -- they recommend that principals and teachers hide in their offices, call 9-1-1, and wait for help. In my situation, help could be 15 or more minutes!! As the second tic by, students and staff can be dying on my watch. I'd rather die trying to stop a shooter than to live with the shame of hiding under my desk while students die.

    What about your school principal? Are they a sheep or a sheepdog? How do you think they will respond to an active shooter, and have you asked?

    C Paul Lincoln

    P.S. -- Sorry this is a bit of a rant, I had a discussion today about school security that left me shaking my head in disbelief. I needed some feedback from like-minded friends!


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    Assuming the veracity of your post, my first question would be is if you are sure this is a discussion you want to have on an Internet forum? One where parents, kids, politicians, school board members, etc., can and will stumble upon?

    Just food for thought.
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    I went to high school in the 1970s, My principal was a woman but very much a Sheep Dog. She was a all star softball player and could swing a bat like no other! Durring the forced Bussing years, I saw her wade into a full on riot taking people out with both hands! I would be very surprised if I found out she wasn't packing! The school had a shooting team and I know she shot with them a few times! Sometimes we need to look to our past for where we should be! DR
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    As a High School teacher who can't carry on school grounds I can tell you that I will not be hunkering down in place. I will be running away as fast as possible out of the "Gun Free Zone" to safety.

    I love teaching but the average American teenager is not worth dying for.
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    Unfortunately, the OP didn't include bureaucrat as an option.
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    Well I think that my old high school principle would be the sheep dog type. He loved his kids. He actually cried at our graduation. We were his first class that he saw grow from freshmen into seniors. He truely loved us. He was also a pretty athletic guy. As a kid I doubt that I'd stay under my desk and wait. I was too bull headed for that. We had a "safety" meeting my senior year in my college level Algebra class about an active shooter. I told my teacher, out loud so the class could hear me, that if there were an active shooter away from us I'd be running straight to my car and getting my butt out of there. And if anyone wanted to go with me was more than welcome to go. I'm not waiting for someone to blast through a door and shoot me like fish in a barrel. It ain't happening.
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    I assume that most people at my school are the sheep. Many seem like it. I will be getting out of dodge as quick as possible. As a teacher, my job is not worth dieing for. I have told all of my classes if there is an active shooter, you all crowd around me and whoever is left when we get to my truck can hop in the back and head out with me.
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    Over the past 10 years, I've got to know several of the teachers at a local K-7 school here, the local LEO's as well.
    We are in a gun friendly county and ALL of the LEO's favor armed (and trained) teachers. Unfortunately, the "No Gun"
    rules apply. The Principal is politically bent toward the "run & hide" camp because of job security (just under 20 years on the job). The general teachers viewpoints are much different and all that I have spoken to would meet force on force as best they could. Even down to the
    60 year old, frail 5th grade teacher. This school has never han any incident.
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    I'm a teacher as well and I have told my kids we are not hiding we are fighting to get the heck out of there. Luckily my principal is beginning to be more sheepdog less sheep. She recently went throughy ALICE training and all teachers are going through it in April. Hopefully this is a step towards letting us teachers defend ourselves and the ones we love. I have heard there is a bill on the floor in Iowa about allowing teachers to carry at school. Fingers crossed


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    My high school principal was a twitt - hi son went to the state Pen. Great family I'd say he was just a sheep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    As a High School teacher who can't carry on school grounds I can tell you that I will not be hunkering down in place. I will be running away as fast as possible out of the "Gun Free Zone" to safety.

    I love teaching but the average American teenager is not worth dying for.
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    Sheep in wolves clothing...
    The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.

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    Principals here toe party line . Do nothing wait for rescue . Band all guns this would never happen.

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    I say arm principals or designated teacher after they have trained for active shooter and utilize a gun safe. This has the chance for approval rather than just a regular conceal carry. Oh and put up a big sign on the school doors. "Beware. This school is trained and ARMED."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard58 View Post
    Sheep in wolves clothing...
    Some are simply sheep in sheep's clothing.
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