2 killed in shooting aboard USS Mahan at Naval Station Norfolk

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    2 killed in shooting aboard USS Mahan at Naval Station Norfolk

    Im still trying to figure out how he got the gun on board. when i was in we had metal detectors and scanners for our bags.


    2 killed in shooting aboard USS Mahan at Naval Station Norfolk | WVEC.com Norfolk - Hampton Roads

    2 killed in shooting aboard USS Mahan at Naval Station Norfolk

    NORFOLK -- Two people are dead following a shooting at Naval Station Norfolk late Monday night.
    The incident occurred at approximately 11:20 p.m. at Pier 1 aboard USS Mahan, Navy officials said.
    U.S. Navy security forces responded to the incident and have since secured the scene. One male sailor and one male civilian suspect were pronounced dead at the scene.

    Security forces on base shot and killed the civilian suspect who was located on the guided missile destroyer.
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    Another shooting in a "Gun Free Zone" jus WOW man..
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    To the OP, the article I read, in a different news, was that he wrestled the handgun from a security guard. That explains your question about how the gun got on board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squid86 View Post
    Im still trying to figure out how he got the gun on board. when i was in we had metal detectors and scanners for our bags.


    2 killed in shooting aboard USS Mahan at Naval Station Norfolk | WVEC.com Norfolk - Hampton Roads

    2 killed in shooting aboard USS Mahan at Naval Station Norfolk

    NORFOLK -- Two people are dead following a shooting at Naval Station Norfolk late Monday night.
    The incident occurred at approximately 11:20 p.m. at Pier 1 aboard USS Mahan, Navy officials said.
    U.S. Navy security forces responded to the incident and have since secured the scene. One male sailor and one male civilian suspect were pronounced dead at the scene.

    Security forces on base shot and killed the civilian suspect who was located on the guided missile destroyer.
    Are detectors and scanners the norm now? When I retired onboard the USS Hue City (CG-66) in Dec. 2000 we never used them. There were sporadic bag searches, usually for drugs in foreign ports.
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    Very sketchy news report here.
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    UPDATE: The suspect was civilian; he approached the quarterdeck of USS Mahan. Security forces wouldn’t let him get past the entrance to the ship, and a scuffle ensued, according to the Navy. He grabbed a gun from the Petty Officer on watch, and shot a sailor that was responding to the security breach with the Petty Officer’s gun. The suspect was not armed with his own gun, officials say. The civilian who was one of two men killed in a shooting on the USS Mahan at Naval Station Norfolk on Monday night had proper identification to get onto the base, but breached security to board the ship, a U.S. defense official said Tuesday.
    There's a PO with some explaining to do today......
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    Unless things have changed drastically the POOW would not have carried with one in the chamber, cocked and locked. Also, the holster would be strapped down. Probably would not have met a visitor, however late, with drawn weapon. Fairly easy to jump, disable and disarm. We used to have 3 persons on the QD, they may go with one now, at least after-hours. If our guys have crazy rules of force in combat zones what do you surmise they are in homeport.
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    When I stood watch the PO of the watch did not have a round chambered. It sounds to me like he got thumped and the BG took his weapon.

    Where was the OOD during all of this? Where was the messenger of the watch? Why wasn't he night sticking the BG repeatedly during the "scuffle"?

    No matter what happened it appears that the watch did their job and stopped a BG from boarding the ship. It's very sad that a sailor was killed trying to stop him but they DID stop him on the quarter deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    When I stood watch the PO of the watch did not have a round chambered. It sounds to me like he got thumped and the BG took his weapon.

    Where was the OOD during all of this? Where was the messenger of the watch? Why wasn't he night sticking the BG repeatedly during the "scuffle"?

    No matter what happened it appears that the watch did their job and stopped a BG from boarding the ship. It's very sad that a sailor was killed trying to stop him but they DID stop him on the quarter deck.
    When I left they were discussing reduced watch requirements in order to go to more watch sections and fewer duty days. That is why I wrote that there may have been only one person on the QD.
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    It's just a shame that we have to loose a sailor like this. Nut jobs everywhere.
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    That's sad. Gotta wonder what kind of access the BG had?
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    You don't know if you weren't there, but The POOW is really the one responsible for physical security on the quarterdeck, and the only one armed. The POOW is there to slow them down more than to effectively repel boarders. If it were otherwise he'd have more than a sidearm. Total speculation, but he probably drew and charged the weapon prior to it being taken from him.

    The OOD or messenger should NOT engage and help in a fight initially, who knows how many boarders there are? Sometimes the POOW is there just to buy time. The OOD or Messenger's number one job is hitting the 1MC and calling a security alert to the quarterdeck, which is what may have (should have) happened. The other two can assist in the fight only after that is accomplished. Even if it costs the POOW his life, or all of them their lives this is what has to happen. I cannot imagine base police could have responded that quickly, but the fast reaction team would have. You have to remember, on a ship it's all about the ship. All the ants onboard are a team focused on saving the material and fighting condition of the ship. The in-port security force is on duty to repel boarders. If there is no alert boarders are on the ship with no opposition and things go south fast. If the alert goes out only a few members of the team can effectively deny a vastly superior force to the critical areas of the ship, and setting DZ in a highly compartmentalized ship denies the enemy force movement.

    While it's very sad a sailor died, but in-port security is designed to protect the ship, not the sailors, like everything else in every evolution in the fleet. He died doing his duty. Prayers for his shipmates and his family.
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    I was always armed as OOD with a cond 1 M9.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger View Post
    You don't know if you weren't there, but The POOW is really the one responsible for physical security on the quarterdeck, and the only one armed. The POOW is there to slow them down more than to effectively repel boarders. If it were otherwise he'd have more than a sidearm. Total speculation, but he probably drew and charged the weapon prior to it being taken from him.

    The OOD or messenger should NOT engage and help in a fight initially, who knows how many boarders there are? Sometimes the POOW is there just to buy time. The OOD or Messenger's number one job is hitting the 1MC and calling a security alert to the quarterdeck, which is what may have (should have) happened. The other two can assist in the fight only after that is accomplished. Even if it costs the POOW his life, or all of them their lives this is what has to happen. I cannot imagine base police could have responded that quickly, but the fast reaction team would have. You have to remember, on a ship it's all about the ship. All the ants onboard are a team focused on saving the material and fighting condition of the ship. The in-port security force is on duty to repel boarders. If there is no alert boarders are on the ship with no opposition and things go south fast. If the alert goes out only a few members of the team can effectively deny a vastly superior force to the critical areas of the ship, and setting DZ in a highly compartmentalized ship denies the enemy force movement.

    While it's very sad a sailor died, but in-port security is designed to protect the ship, not the sailors, like everything else in every evolution in the fleet. He died doing his duty. Prayers for his shipmates and his family.
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    Old Sarge I read the same thing and when I had quarter deck watch we always had had a side arm on. So according to what I read nothing was brought in it was opportunity and back in they day we must have trained different.

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