The Internet of Things and Home Defense

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    The Internet of Things and Home Defense

    You may want to reconsider connecting every single home device to the internet...

    You may want to reconsider hooking up electrical devices to a ?smart? power plug device? | Gun Safety Blog

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    Interesting. Well, if the worst a hacker could do is turn a power outlet on and off, it seems a limited risk. Personally I would always use the hard switch on a potentially dangerous device anyway, but I suppose if folks did actually use this to control something like a space heater, it could be an issue.
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    i doubt i will ever get this smart-wall-plug thing whatever the heck it is.

    if we've taken to wirelessly turning lights on and off then our race is doomed.........

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    Wait til they hack your implanted pacemaker. I wish I was kidding but I'm not- it's already technically possible, and as the "internet of things" grows security will become an even bigger problem. The 'net we all use now evolved from the ARPANET; it was originally intended to connect a very small cadre of scientist and military personnel. Security wasn't an afterthought- it wasn't thought of at all! IPv4 has pretty weak security protocols built in and was never designed to run a whole planet. We're in a situation where the house figuratively needs to be demolished and a new one built...but where do you live while you build the new one? That's where we are right now.
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    I know of a case where a local man's house was robbed after a hacker sold to the robbers the information he got through a nanny cam the owner had hooked online.

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    If they can hack into a baby monitor, they can hack into anything else. No wireless controlled anything in this house. God help me the day I won't get off my butt to lock a door or turn off a light.
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    Hope they cant hack my clapper
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    I have lots of stuff wireless in the house including lights, thermostats, alarm system, and some outlets. My router has deep password access (more than 20 digits and characters), does not have the original user name or password. Lots of routers out there use the following: User Name: Admin Password: Password.
    If it has not been changed in your router, you could get hacked. Everything in my house connects to my wireless router, name not listed but it is not a cheap one. On a wireless router the only way someone is going to hack you is to be on your wifi stream. Cant do it from the outside (your internet connection), has to be on the wifi signal, which can be picked up next door or in the street. Good routers can be seen a couple hundred feet away thru walls.
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    Any time there is an interface to a device there are people who are going to try to exploit it - plain and simple. It doesn't matter if it is a simple padlock or a computer or a smart device. The nice thing is while there are a large number of people who want to profit from exploits, there are also people and companies that see opportunities to make a lot of money protecting those devices. You can already purchase antivirus protection for smart phones, and I'm sure that soon you will see something similar for smart devices. And, routers and other devices will continue to get smarter as well.

    The biggest threats (IMO) come from carelessness - unsecured (or minimally secured) wireless networks, opening email with attachments from people you don't know, and going to "bad" websites. There is software that will help, but in the end stupid and careless = problems. My father-in-law messed-up my son's computer by misspelling Google. The antivirus software provided multiple warnings, but he persisted. I had to scrub the entire machine and reinstall the OS because of that. Until there is some type of anti-stupid protection people and their devices will be at risk.
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    Directions? Instructions?
    I don't need no stinkin instructions....

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    Don't worry. Our glorious Pres is going to give the power of the internet over to other countries. What have we got to worry about? Oh yea that's right. They all hate us and want what we have. Oh man, we're screwed.

    Anyone seen the movie Red Dawn? Not that I'm paranoid but this country is getting really messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Thunder View Post
    <snip> Lots of routers out there use the following: User Name: Admin Password: Password.

    If it has not been changed in your router, you could get hacked. <snip>.
    Don't forget to change the SSID - the default ones usually announce what model the router is, with that it's easy to look up what the default user/pwd settings are.
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    I remember as a kid, the BGs would drive through affluent neighborhoods with a Sears garage door remote set to the default code. They just kept pushing the remote until somebody's garage door started to open. Then they'd immediately close the garage door and return at night to rob the place.

    In today's "connected" world, you still have to follow basic security protocols like change the password.
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    My SSID is FBI_Surviellance_Van. That takes care of most if not all hacking. That and a 20+ digit/letter password.
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