More 2A infringment?

More 2A infringment?

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    Friday Document Dump: Clintons Wanted to Force Militias to Register With Federal Government

    Posted on October 11, 2014 by Sancho Panza

    http://soopermexican.com/2014/10/11/...ral-goverment/

    As expected, a large document dump was dropped on Friday at the start of a three-day weekend, hoping most Americans wouldn’t pay attention. Politico reports on many of the revelations from Clinton’s term as President, but this one about militias is especially interesting:

    In the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing, the Clinton administration considered the possibility of aggressive new regulation of domestic militia groups, including publishing membership lists of such organization, requiring them to register with the federal government or to get permission before offering “paramilitary” training.

    Some of the ideas were championed by Clinton adviser Dick Morris, who was known for advancing policy proposals that resonated well in polls.

    “The public overwhelmingly supports a significant expansion in the FBI’s ability to investigate militia groups. If you and the Justice Department believe such an expansion would be in the public interest, I would recommend that we go ahead with it with a high profile announcement,” Morris wrote in an Oct. 6, 1995, memo to Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, as well as Deputy Chiefs of Staff Erskine Bowles and Harold Ickes.

    The proposals seem to have produced widespread alarm in the administration, among Justice Department officials, White House lawyers and even other political advisers. Some worried that even reducing the proposals to writing could provoke a backlash from conservatives already wary of the federal government following high-profile showdowns at Ruby Ridge, Idaho and Waco, Texas.

    It’s interesting to note that the only thing that stopped them from trying to implement these restrictions on militias was the expected political backlash. They had no principled or constitutional objection to making them register with the federal government. Now imagine what the Obama administration would have done with such a list after they forwarded it to Lois Lerner.

    “The Justice Department has stopped working on the terrorism question. They say this is because [White House Counsel Ab Mikva] instructed them that this is not information that should be on paper,” wrote Clinton White House aide Jennifer O’Connor. She’s now back at the White House, working in President Barack Obama’s counsel’s office after serving as a crisis-response lawyer handling problems at the Internal Revenue Service and with the roll-out of Obamacare.

    O’Connor wrote that Mikva concluded “politically, the ideas we talked about are really bad ideas.”

    “All of the lawyers analyzing these proposals (in this office and at DOJ) strongly believe it is a serious mistake—as a policy but especially as a political matter to impose militia controls of the type now being discussed, even if they would be constitutional,” Mikva and others wrote, warning that measures already announced had prompted “an unprecedented alliance” between the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Rifle Association.

    This is exactly why we need to keep talking about and defending our 2nd Amendment right – the federal government is just waiting to strip it away from us.
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    RTKAB doesnt depend on the 2A. Trying to get militia groups today to "register" and using any sort of force or threat of would Im guessing be a really quick way to find that out.

    Just a guess.
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    Interesting article but not too surprising. "In the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing" That was a news worthy event that did in fact require a response, internally as well as what might be acceptable to the public. “The public overwhelmingly supports a significant expansion in the FBI’s ability to investigate militia groups." I would have to concur with this. The public was demanding some answers to the bombing.

    Clinton at least reacted with an internal plan. Of course it would also be considered politically.

    This is more than I have seen from the Obama administration on ANY issues.

    No doubt, our 2A right must be preserved but I don't see Obama dealing with it at all in the near future. It's not a political issue worth ******* off any more voters than he already has and probably the last issue the Dem Senate wants to deal with before elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 47Gabe View Post
    Friday Document Dump: Clintons Wanted to Force Militias to Register With Federal Government
    So, they want all persons to "register" with the government. The "militia" being the citizenry.

    I thought that everyone already did that with the birth records, with the state driver's licenses (permissions slips), getting a SSN for tax purposes, etc. Now they want another registration process beyond that, for everyone.

    Oh, wait! They only mean to "register" folks who gather together to train themselves. As though they're a threat to anyone or anything, just by improving along with others. Real smart, there, presuming all folks who go the "group" thing are threats to governance or society.

    Sometimes, it gets tiring trying to help such folks save themselves from themselves, and us along with them. It's a never-ending chore, helping to whack the next mole that pops out, each time these creatures raise their heads out of the holes they've been crawling in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Sometimes, it gets tiring trying to help such folks save themselves from themselves, and us along with them. It's a never-ending chore, helping to whack the next mole that pops out, each time these creatures raise their heads out of the holes they've been crawling in.



    It does get tiring indeed, my guess is their hoping we do. Whack - A- Mole Haha~!

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    I don't even think this is a 2A issue, it is more of a 10A issue. If unorganized militias were to be regulated, it would have to be a state thing. The feds have no business with that.

    BTW, I am surprised no one on the forum has mentioned Warren Buffet's prediction that Hillary will be the next president. He said he would be willing to bet money on it. I don't agree with his politics, but he is darn good at making predictions. Not to mention the fact that the Republicans don't have anyone credible enough to win, unless you count Christie, who I think would be as bad as Hillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I don't even think this is a 2A issue, it is more of a 10A issue. If unorganized militias were to be regulated, it would have to be a state thing. The feds have no business with that.

    BTW, I am surprised no one on the forum has mentioned Warren Buffet's prediction that Hillary will be the next president. He said he would be willing to bet money on it. I don't agree with his politics, but he is darn good at making predictions. Not to mention the fact that the Republicans don't have anyone credible enough to win, unless you count Christie, who I think would be as bad as Hillary.
    Between Buffet and Soros backing their agendas on the shoulders of the low-information populace, you can bet they're hedging their bets on Hillary.
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    I am constantly amazed at how many americans forget their history and accept the concept of 'registration' in any form. As a society, we really are more and more sheep-like.

    As for the politics, our republic is in its death throes, if it isn't dead already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyD View Post
    I am constantly amazed at how many americans forget their history and accept the concept of 'registration' in any form. As a society, we really are more and more sheep-like.

    As for the politics, our republic is in its death throes, if it isn't dead already.
    I am more optimistic. I think our republic has weathered worse in terms of poor leadership and public apathy. I have faith in this country, even when it seems to lose faith in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I am more optimistic. I think our republic has weathered worse in terms of poor leadership and public apathy. I have faith in this country, even when it seems to lose faith in itself.
    JMF, while I share your optimism, I fear its to little to late. Rome fell, the U.S. will fall someday as well and its people like the OP mentioned that will be the cause....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    JMF, while I share your optimism, I fear its to little to late. Rome fell, the U.S. will fall someday as well and its people like the OP mentioned that will be the cause....
    Though, a "fall" that's a correction and change in the governance might well not be a bad thing. My guess is, if it does come to a severe change, unless the moral compass is recalibrated as part of the process then it's not going to amount to anything good. If that bad, without such "compass" changes, it'll just mean a solid re-entrenching of the BG's, worse than before, sweeping aside all before them that wasn't able to be swept away previously. Hopefully it won't come to that. But I fear that might be an empty hope, during such a change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    I am more optimistic. I think our republic has weathered worse in terms of poor leadership and public apathy. I have faith in this country, even when it seems to lose faith in itself.
    I think it goes beyond leadership and apathy - those are just symptoms of a population that has become entitled, lazy and self-absorbed.

    I know we have faced other challenges, and some were much greater on the surface, but now our greatest enemy is ourselves. I pray that you are right JMF, but I fear you are wrong.

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    I really hope it is not already to late for my kids and grandkids sake but for the last 20 years or so the public schools and universities have been turning out good little socialists the can't write , they can't count , they think american history is about a bunch of evil white European men coming over here stealing the land and killing the Indians . They think the USA is no better than the rest of the world they have not been taught to think for themselves . They believe corporations are evil they know how to recycle a can and they think the government is supposed to give them everything they want. They have been taught they are entitled. Well now they are old enough to vote and every year we get another crop


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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyD View Post
    I am constantly amazed at how many americans forget their history and accept the concept of 'registration' in any form. As a society, we really are more and more sheep-like.

    As for the politics, our republic is in its death throes, if it isn't dead already.
    It is impossible to "forget" history you never learned. For many Americans, history started with the iPhone and Bill/Hillary Clinton.
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