December 8th, 2009 11:41 AM
Yep, if you do find a room filling pattern it won't have enough energy in the projectile to be effective in stopping any threat.
Originally Posted by bmcgilvray
No matter what you choose, you better aim and be sure of your target, or you might as well pick up a ball bat and go at it that way. A gun no matter what kind is only as good as its user.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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December 8th, 2009 04:14 PM
To my mind the order for HD is as follows based on the _average_ American home size including hall width spacing, door frame width, and average room size including overall distance as from wall to wall measured on the longest side.
Of course affordability is a factor as well and thus the scale of opportunity slides...
Short-barrel shotgun (SBS w/ 14" barrel) running shot as through a cylinder bore or optimally improved cylinder choke
Short-barrel rifle (as P.D.W. format)
A handgun preferably in an intermediate power level chambering
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December 8th, 2009 08:20 PM
Yup, gotta aim a shotgun. This: "Most shotgun ammunition is also less expensive than handgun ammunition. " is bunk when you compare the appropriate ammo.
AR's with collapsible stocks have less recoil (depending on config) and will be more appropriate for more members of a household - good for follow up shots as well. IMHO, shotguns seem to be better weapons when you've barricaded yourself.
December 8th, 2009 10:53 PM
Rule of thumb for "spread" of a shotgun is 1 inch per yard, thus, a 10 inch spread at 10 yards, 20 @ 20, 30 @ 30, 40 @ 40 and 50+ inches @ 50 yards. I consider 50 yards the Maximum Effective Range of Buckshot. At extended distances (60+ yards) buckshot forms a circular pattern so the target is actually inside a funnel of shot going above, below and on each side.
In a typical (if such a thing exists) HD gunfight the shots would probably be at less than 7 yards meaning a spread from 0 - 7 inches, not a great deal of advantage over the rifle/carbine.
In a smoothbore shotgun, Foster Slugs are superior to Buckshot in terms of terminal performance and will stay on a pie plate sized target at 75 yards.
Oh yeah, a 20 ga. slug is plenty enough for two legged predators. Plus a 20 ga. is a much faster gun to wield.
December 8th, 2009 11:01 PM
Yeah, but explaining to Animal Control why they shouldn't take the rabid dog gets tedious...
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December 8th, 2009 11:11 PM
Can't take credit for this Quote, but I agree with it totally-"My handgun is a tool to get me to my shotgun, my shotgun is a tool to get me to my rifle, my rifle is the tool I want if I need to defend my life".
I guess I could shorten it to "My handgun is a tool to get me to my rifle, my rifle is the tool I want if I need to defend my life".
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December 8th, 2009 11:18 PM
Decent article that presents a number of good points to consider.
For me: Pistol and shotgun. Given the likelihood of certain crimes, the layout of the house, the location and proximity of neighbors, I feel the pistol and shotgun is the right combination.
Of course, my ideal layout would be different: At the heart of 25ac; warning of anyone on campus; a secure double perimeter; dogs guarding between perimeters; customized lighting and alarms for advance warning; a defensible hallway and space preceding the "safe" room to ride out rough stuff. In that setup, I can see all three having their place. Not much different than the current layout, except for the 25ac, the defensible nature of the hall and space. Right now, the layout simply isn't conducive to an effective prolonged defense.
A nice 10-11" bbl rifle would do nicely, on the larger spread. Can't quite get used to the ergonomics and interface of the AR-15, though the Noveske N4 Light Shorty would do. Give me a SIG 556, an HK G36 or 416 ... select-fire, of course.
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January 19th, 2010 08:56 PM
Excellent points all around. Everyone has their own views on what works best for them. Mine is handgun for in home, shotgun for yard and rifle (w/scope) for that distance (their coming up the driveway type of thing). Distances might vary just a little either way, this is not all inclusive here, if the shotgun is handy and the pistol is 20 feet away, the shotgun gets the nod and so on.
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January 20th, 2010 01:44 AM
What he said.
Originally Posted by TX-JB
January 22nd, 2010 09:28 AM
Great article, really enjoyed. My preferences are various hand guns within easy reach and two shotguns that we can get to easy.
January 25th, 2010 03:32 PM
I keep may handgun near by for imediate use and if I have time my plan is to grab the 870 and hand the pistol off to the wife.
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January 25th, 2010 07:31 PM
How 'bout a rifle-like shotgun? Eh?
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January 25th, 2010 07:57 PM
Thanks for the article...I've got my house and perimeter covered.
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January 25th, 2010 11:34 PM
My pistole is there to help me get to my shot gun...
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January 26th, 2010 12:40 AM
handgun, shotgun, and rifle . .... in that order for me.
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