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How to plan for a home break in at my residence.

This is a discussion on How to plan for a home break in at my residence. within the Home (And Away From Home) Defense Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by ScubaDuba and 911 just recorded you saying that. But they did break into the wrong house, obviously these poor underprivalged youths were ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaDuba View Post
    and 911 just recorded you saying that.
    But they did break into the wrong house, obviously these poor underprivalged youths were coming home from a late night bible study and figured the lock must have jammed so they kicked in the door to what they thought was their apartment.
    Then seeing all the nice stereo equipment they thought, "Santa must have come early, we should ransack the rest of the place to see what else he left us.

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    "civilian AK-47"

    Would that be semi-auto, or the new California pump action?
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    I would shoot first concerning this scenario, the BG is in your house.

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    Barricade yourself in your room, a dresser or heavy object blocking the door would help against kick-ins. Keep the lights off so you can see out but they can't see in. Guns at the ready and 911 online. If door starts to get kicked, let them know you are armed and will statrt shooting if they come in. If they still kick the door down and rush in you should be sending rounds down range to preserve your life.
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    Type one offenders will run away when they are detected.
    Type two offenders will run away when they are confronted with superior force.
    Type three offenders must be stopped using superior force.
    You must be prepared for the type three variety. In YOUR living situation I would add some elements;
    Use high velocity light weight pistol bullets these penetrate less and lose energy faster / consider Glaser Safety Slugs followed by conventional JHP ammo.
    Consider getting a pump shotgun loaded with Turkey Loads, i.e. #2 - #4 high brass shotshells.
    Practice firing from a squatting or kneeling postion, this allows your shot to go upwards instead of on a level plane.
    Develop a response plan with your roommate. He and his AK may be the greatest threat to your life, so called friendly fire, it ain't!

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    VA has no castle doctrine? Gee, sounds like a nice place to live.
    “My roommate is gone or sleeping, and he is the only other one with a key, so obviously if he isn't one of the two then there is a problem.”
    This one can be sticky, especially if you know he isn’t home. You really need to feel right about the of intruders’ intentions. I have heard of a case where a person gave their friend a key so they could go crash at his/her place for the night after drinking.
    Aside from that, I don’t see anything more to add that isn't already covered.
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    Start outside you place, from all sides.

    What can you see that is worth stealing? How would, could you get to it?

    Is that new 52" TV visible from outside?

    Do you or your roommate have any disreputable friends, druggies or such? That makes the apartment vulnerable.

    Now, consider if your roommate shoots that AK inside, does he know where you will be and will he limit his fire so the bullet won't kill you? The AK/SKS rifles fire the Russian 7.62x39 with a bullet that can penetrate walls, floors and framing. Even concrete blocks are not perfect protection.

    Are your locks secure and are the door frames properly installed with long nails and screws? If you have a deadbolt, can a window be broken and the latch turned by hand?

    If they get in, staying put, armed and calling 911 is safer than going on a burglar hunt. Call 911 and let teh police with body armor and back-up come and clear your apartment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis128 View Post
    "civilian AK-47"

    Would that be semi-auto, or the new California pump action?
    It's semi auto. I know they are a different model in that calling them a AK47 is a misnomer, but don't know their formal name.

    Are your locks secure and are the door frames properly installed with long nails and screws? If you have a deadbolt, can a window be broken and the latch turned by hand?
    Technically I am on a second floor. There is a common area that has one door in and out, which is a heavy metal door secured into a cinder block wall. A set of stairs leads to both my neighbor's and my front door.

    Problem is, the idiot neighbors are constantly leaving it unlocked so they can get packages. I've reamed them out before for that as I have my bicycles down there and don't want them stolen. My neighbor's wife is an idiot and is the one usually leaving it unlocked.

    The front door is the same setup as the first. Metal door, secured into a cinder block wall. All considered it is pretty safe, but that doesn't mean I can't and won't consider how to defend myself.

    All in all though, it is an awesome setup for the zombie apocalypse.
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    Preparation is great


    Thinking ahead is a real advantage. Good to get your roomate on the same page. Send your neighbor a certified letter with a copy to the condo association, that she will be responsible for the cost of your stolen bicycles because she keeps unlocking the main door.

    I would not announce myself to the burglars with voice or shotgun slide racking. You need the advantage of surprise. Do not give it away for free.

    My plan would be an immediate call to 911; get a pair of inexpensive Uniden radios or an intercom for your roomate's room and yours so you can coordinate your actions; Find the best view from your bedroom and organize some type of cover to get behind and wait for the intruders to come to you.

    When you attack, do so rapidly and continue until he is down, using a 20 gauge shotgun with #4 birdshot.

    If you prefer not to engage, install a VERY LOUD SIREN that you can activate with a remote control. If they stay inside with the siren blasting away, you will have a clear understanding of their intentions.

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    Birdshot is for little birds. It lacks the penetration to reach the vitals and stop an attacker.

    Yes, it makes a gruesome shallow wound, and he may bleed out, but he'll have plenty of time to finish shooting or stabbing you to death while it happens.

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    Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.

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    Everyone makes good points, cant add much more then that.
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    Retreat to your safe room, lock the door, take cover and be prepared to engage. Call 911 and stay on the phone with the dispatcher in order to relay situation details to responding officers. You may also want to have a set of keys available to throw out the window so that the officers can make an unforced entry.

    DO NOT attempt to clear the unit or confront the invaders if you can avoid it. You could easily end up having a very bad day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbum View Post
    I would toss a flash bang and see if they jumped.
    Are they not illegal in the city??? JK

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    If you can see the staircase from your room you have an advantage as far as I can see. I would call 911 and stay just inside my room where I can see the staircase to see if they are coming up while on the phone.

    Shout to them that you are on the phone with the police and to leave immediately again while holding the phone with 911 on the other end recording your warning.

    While they are climbing the stairs you have some advantage as they have nowhere to hide or duck into. If they retreat, good for you wait until police to arrive before exiting your room. If they keep coming I would think you would feel your life is in danger and can't retreat any farther so you would be justified in the use of deadly force.

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    I'm reading through this and while the advice is good, especially that last quoted part, it just got me thinking.

    In my apartment if faced with an unfamiliar sound I was going to investigate, and it turned out to be a BG, they would see me right away. Unless they went into my room mates bedroom or the closet, I would, by exiting my bedroom, separate the BG from the exit. At this point if the BG tried to make a run for the exit (without leaping out of a two story window) he would be coming straight at me.

    With a scenario such as this, I wouldn't have time to call 911. It would either be he surrenders, he gets shot, or I get shot/stabbed/punched/etc. I don't see many other options because I won't be calling 911 until I know there is a reason to, ie someone in the house other than my room mate. Kinda seems like I don't have the idea situation. Any ideas for me?

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