Plans For U.S. Martial Law (link)

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    Exclamation Plans For U.S. Martial Law (link)

    http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005...tary8aug05.htm

    It's a long read, but easily read and completely frightening.

    This is NOT the old REX-84 conspiracy nuts rattling around. These docs were written between 2002 and 2005. All deal with massive terror strikes on U.S. soil.

    They include scenarios for the rounding up of varying sizes of population by the state national guards BEFORE federal troops are brought in due to the Posse Commitatus clause of 1878. The government envisions 15 potential crisis scenarios with the anticipation of several simultaneous terrorist strikes around the country. Guard troops under state control are exempt under posse comitatus restrictions. For some reason, so is the US Coast Guard. Probably because it acts under the department of transportation rather than it's wartime (federalized) role under the US Navy.

    These docs appear to have been deliberately leaked to media in an attempt to get the American populace accustomed to the prospect of military rule.


    ExSoldier's note:
    I just printed the contents of the link. It came out to 29 pages, but it's a rather large font size (maybe 18) so it should be less at font size 12. I printed this at school just now and I'm going to put this into a folder for my classes next year (signing out for summer vacation tomorrow) unless this trap has already sprung by then. Remember the off year elections are this November. The terrorists scored a big win when they hit Spain the day before their elections. A shoo-in for a return to power, the majority party was wiped from office and the socialists took over in Spain. They promptly pulled out of Iraq.

    I'm looking for a similar style attack between now and November here in the States.

    The BIG question is to what extent will a N.O. style gun grab come into play if this scenario comes to pass?
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    Well i hope its better planned than the NO evacuation LOL that being said i am quite shure they have plans for little green men landing also .. not living in a metro area none of them overly concern me . I will look thro the info tho
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    According to military lawyers here, the dispatch of ground troops would most likely be justified on the basis of the president's authority under Article 2 of the Constitution to serve as commander in chief and protect the nation. The Posse Comitatus Act exempts actions authorized by the Constitution.
    Sounds like they are saying the Posse Comitatus Act doesn't matter. Just say "we're protecting the nation" and you can ignore it.

    I've read about 1/3 of this article and I'm not liking it.
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    For some reason, so is the US Coast Guard. Probably because it acts under the department of transportation rather than it's wartime (federalized) role under the US Navy.
    Not any more.
    THe USCG is under the Dept.of Homeland Security. Its is now its own distinct entity. That was done when the Patriot Act was passed...along with all of the other socialistic,unconstituional unAmerican crap that is in it.

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    When the Guard is acting under state control, the Posse Comitatus Act DOESN'T matter. It only applies to federal troops.

    Also, if martial law IS declared the PC Act is out the window anyway. You have to remember that the PC Act was created so that the Army wouldn't have to waste it's time tracking down criminals in the old west. It wasn't designed to protect citizens from martial law, but to force local law enforcement to do it's job.

    If an act of war is committed on US soil, it becomes a military matter not a law enforcement matter.


    Quote Originally Posted by CopperKnight
    Sounds like they are saying the Posse Comitatus Act doesn't matter. Just say "we're protecting the nation" and you can ignore it.

    I've read about 1/3 of this article and I'm not liking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanksoldier
    If an act of war is committed on US soil, it becomes a military matter not a law enforcement matter.
    But I don't see the military being dispatched to establish and enforce martial law or any other "military" type actions without their being some sort of "front lines" on domestic soil. The style of terrorist attacks that we and some Eastern European contries have experienced do not equate to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperKnight
    But I don't see the military being dispatched to establish and enforce martial law or any other "military" type actions without their being some sort of "front lines" on domestic soil. The style of terrorist attacks that we and some Eastern European contries have experienced do not equate to that.
    OH I certainly COULD. I think we were damn close if the 1992 LA riots had spread city to city. But the real scenario is a terrorist attack using a WMD or more than one or a combo: Nuke first then a chemical attack with a follow-on bio-attack. Between the EMP/radiation effects, the persistent chemical agents and the epidemic spinning up...there would be no choice to protect society from a general collapse of the infrastructure. The real wild card is how many bad guys (teams) have snuck into the country since 911 (or before) and what are their orders?

    Even if they open up an infantry insurgency it'll be Iraqi style, not RED DAWN with a "front" and a "rear area."

    But here is a taste of the extent of the preparations to execute nationwide martial law. These Executive Orders are continuing and active. Strung together in such a way that a single command from the President can trigger them ALL. Forget tinfoil hats. These orders are on record at the Library of Congress. The citation in parens is where it might be found in the Federal Register.

    FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Register. Congress is by-passed.

    Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for the construction of ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

    Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

    Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of Transportation to take over ALL modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil, and power as well as ALL civilian, private aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to seize and control the communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management Agency that provides for the "takeover" of ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast and cable television, ALL radio stations, ALL satellite earth stations and satellites and ALL telephone companies and telephone systems in the United States.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to take over ALL electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of energy.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of Agriculture to take over ALL food resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately owned farmland and food resources will be commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm implements and equipment used to work this land. ALL will become the property of the Federal Government.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 - Provides for taking over all modes of transportation, control of highways, seaports, etc.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of Labor to "mobilize" civilians into work brigades under government supervision. That's right, every working American will be under the direct supervision of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the future is not a consideration. You will be required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered the term "slave labor"?

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare to control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare services and All educational programs and facilities, public and private.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account for every American, his or her location and "status".

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal Aviation Administration to take over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority for the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and community facilities in the United States. This means the relocation, to a place of the government's choosing, of any part of the population they choose to move. In other words, it doesn't matter where you live now or what property you own, it will become the property of the government and THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate Commerce Commission to take over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international or domestic tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon consolidates all previous Executive Orders into one act of law. It also gave the Department of Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation, restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens". No definition of terms was given to know who "alien enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the Department of Justice!

    It allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and control of ALL monetary items and the entire financial structure and assets of the United States of America, public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me" President Jimmy Carter authored EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for the COMPLETE DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O. President Carter places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/administrations under the SOLE CONTROL of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    He also "handed off" to FEMA many powers previously held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as FULL CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers and duties of the President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of America. All that is needed to implement these controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President. Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 12803 - Provides for privatization of nation's infrastructure through sale of public assets to private parties.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919 - Brings everything not covered above under total government control.

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis.

    " FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;

    The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;

    The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and

    The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

    ExSoldier's note: I still have the 1987 article from the Miami Herald that tells of the designation by the US Government of the Homstead Air Reserve Base to be a FEMA Detention camp in case of emergency. The city of Homestead was ALL upset about the neighborhood property values and then it all just went away. But that "camp" is there and it's all ready to go. It's one of many. A few years later it was announced that the Krome Detention Center would be upgraded to allow near instant conversion from housing floating immigrants and immigrant felons awaiting deportation to "other inmates" of an emergency nature. That announcement raised no squawks from the community. The sheep grazed on.....
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    Yeah, I've read those Exec orders before. I think we had a recent thread focused on them.

    The things are scary, one order after something as small as a large stockmarket "correction" that causes a bad economic turn and all of a sudden, the Prez turns over his power to FEMA and they have dictatorial power. Throw in a bunch of scared and confused "kids" in the military to try to control things or (as proposed by some) foreign UN peacekeepers who hate us anyway and it gets ugly real quick.

    As for my quote, I think I wasn't as clear as I wanted to be. I didn't mean that I couldn't see it happening. What I meant to say was I couldn't see it legally or rightfully happening.

    I have little doubt there will be some "small" scale disaster where throwing the military in on our soil will be tried out to see the reaction. Slowly build up to a bigger deployment and ease the idea into our minds. Just like the "small steps" of gun control. Start with the stuff that nobody cares about and stuff that will "help"...Automatic gangster guns, the move down.

    I think they have started with the border security situation. It's state guys (and gals) going down there, but how many of the massive numbers of apathetic citizens know the difference. To millions of Americans, they are all just "the military".

    Case in point...In 2000 I trained a gal during August. We got to discussing the Presidential elections, she didn't know who was running. I thought this was a little out of touch, but I told her George Bush the Governor of Texas was running against the current Vice President. No kidding, she didn't know who the VP was. After EIGHT years as VP, she didn't know who Al Gore was. I was astounded...I had heard about people like her in polls and jokes, but had never met someone so ignorant (the classical definition) of her surroundings.

    These are the people who allow bad things to happen because they don't care. I can understand being vague on some points, but nobody should be completely ignorant of who the most powerful people in the world are.

    OK, I'm done now. Out of breath and done.
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