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    Are elected leaders disappearing?
    they're not disappearing but they don't serve their constituent's interests anymore. congressmen go to the highest bidder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Good. So stop defending them as if you think their rebellious ideas have merit.

    We don't live in an unconstitutional tyranny. That idea gets repeated a lot by a lot of folks, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

    Come back and tell me about tyranny when the Supreme court and Appeals court justices have all been jailed. Or when the House Speaker "disappears." Or when an idiot general stands in the threshold of The White House and declares "I'm in charge here now." Oops, that one already happened. At least he had the grace to get out of the way once someone told him he was a fool.
    Hop, I'm not defending them. I never claimed tyranny by our government. Again, you've misconstrued my posts - they're not about tyranny or the Hutaree. They are about you and your beliefs. I guess I'll have to leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce130 View Post
    Hmmm....I'll be on the lookout for more info on this one. I'll make my bet now, all charges dropped in about a month or so. This whole thing sounds shady.

    Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group | detnews.com | The Detroit News
    Looks like things already going downhill for the Government case against the Hutaree.

    Judge questions weight of evidence in Hutaree case | detnews.com | The Detroit News

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    Proof of the pudding???

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce130 View Post
    Looks like things already going downhill for the Government case against the Hutaree.

    Judge questions weight of evidence in Hutaree case | detnews.com | The Detroit News

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    All well and good. Let's see if the judge grants bond and on what terms.

    And good too that the judge is a bit skeptical. That sort of assures a fair trial for the defendants.

    It will as always be up to the prosecutor to demonstrate the imminent threat the judge said is required to be shown. I'm sure the prosecution knew what its burden would be before the arrest was made. (At least I hope they knew that.)

    We'll find out in time what a jury thinks. I have a hunch that even if there is a conviction there will still be some folks (besides their appeals lawyer) claiming actual innocence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post

    Again, make no mistake about it. Plotting or planning or encouraging others or supporting others in plans to rebel is the crime of sedition. It has a 20 year penalty.
    That is the liberal definition of sedition.

    The correct definition is:

    an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority and tending to cause the disruption or overthrow of the government
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    All well and good. Let's see if the judge grants bond and on what terms.

    And good too that the judge is a bit skeptical. That sort of assures a fair trial for the defendants.

    It will as always be up to the prosecutor to demonstrate the imminent threat the judge said is required to be shown. I'm sure the prosecution knew what its burden would be before the arrest was made. (At least I hope they knew that.)

    We'll find out in time what a jury thinks. I have a hunch that even if there is a conviction there will still be some folks (besides their appeals lawyer) claiming actual innocence.
    I also have a hunch that even if there is not a conviction there will be some folks still claiming actual guilt. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for a resolution.

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    Judge orders release of 9 Hutaree militia members | freep.com | Detroit Free Press

    Looks like Deuce130s initial prediction may be coming to fruition.

    I'm less concerned with the rantings and fringe ideas of the hutaree than I am with the growing appearance of incompetence by federal law enforcement. I'm not at all prepared to say this raid was politically motivated to generate some anti-militia headlines to accompany the media-generated hysteria around the tea parties, but it's worth asking the question.

    I've often read the feds have a very high conviction rate, which suggests they usually act on only tight evidence. Now, I'd be curious to know what the conviction rate is on the original charges. Raiding someone on conspiracy to commit murder charges and getting a final conviction on unpaid parking tickets isn't something of which to be proud.

    The lefty rantings about Bush suspending civil liberties for enemies of the state weren't true, and now it appears similar claims by righties about Obama are equally untrue. Good for this judge, and good for all of us.

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    So no convictions for the nut jobs. That’s just great. Anywise I hope they do a better job hear (NYC) with the car bomber.

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