FBI/Terror Task Force Raid

FBI/Terror Task Force Raid

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    FBI/Terror Task Force Raid

    Hmmm....I'll be on the lookout for more info on this one. I'll make my bet now, all charges dropped in about a month or so. This whole thing sounds shady.

    Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group | detnews.com | The Detroit News


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    Not a whole lot of info here....some reports said it was the Michigan Militia, then the article you reference mentions something un related that sounds like a fringe group. Allegedly they made threats against some muslim group.

    The stuff I saw on TV described a huge task force to take these guys.....I'm all for a bust if they (the alleged individuals) comitted a crime, but a raid like this seems like a pre-emptive strike. One that yields alot of guns, ammo and the like...how convenient.

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    FoxNews.com is reporting it as a pipe-bomb sweep. That sounds like something the local PD could handle, IMO. Hopefully the truth will come out tomorrow during the arraignment.

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    Here's another article on it.
    Official: Gun charges after FBI raids in Midwest - Yahoo! News

    Official: Gun charges after FBI raids in Midwest
    By MIKE HOUSEHOLDER, Associated Press Writer Mike Householder, Associated Press Writer 35 mins ago
    ADRIAN, Mich. The FBI said Sunday that agents conducted weekend raids in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio and arrested at least three people, and a militia leader in Michigan said the target of at least one raid was a Christian militia group.

    Federal warrants were sealed, but a federal law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said some of those arrested face gun charges and officials are pursuing other suspects. Some of the suspects were expected in court Monday.

    FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold confirmed the FBI had been working in two southeast Michigan counties near the Ohio state line. FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Cleveland said agents arrested two people Saturday after raids in two Ohio towns.

    A third arrest made in northeast Illinois on Sunday stemmed from a raid Saturday just over the border in northwest Indiana, both part of an ongoing investigation led by the FBI in Michigan, according to a statement from agents in Illinois.

    It wasn't clear what prompted the raids, but Michael Lackomar, a spokesman for the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, said one of his team leaders got a frantic phone call Saturday evening from members of Hutaree, a Christian militia group. They said their property in southeast Michigan was being raided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, according to Lackomar.

    "They said they were under attack by the ATF and wanted a place to hide," Lackomar said. "My team leader said, 'no thanks.'"

    The team leader was cooperating with the FBI, Lackomar said. He said SMVM wasn't affiliated with Hutaree, but a handful of Hutaree members twice attended monthly training sessions with his group that focus on survival training and shooting practice.

    On its Web site, Hutaree quotes several Bible passages and states: "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. ... Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment."

    An e-mail sent to the group by The Associated Press wasn't returned Sunday, and phone numbers for the group's leadership were not immediately available. Berchtold, the FBI spokeswoman in Michigan, wouldn't say whether the raids were connected to Hutaree.

    Law enforcement swarmed a rural, wooded property Saturday evening near Adrian, about 70 miles southwest of Detroit, neighbors said. Two ramshackle trailers sat side-by-side on the property, the door to one slightly ajar late Sunday as if it had been forced open.

    Phyllis Brugger, who has lived in the area for more than 30 years, said some people who lived there were known as having ties to militia. They would shoot guns and often wore camouflage, according to Brugger and her daughter, Heidi Wood.

    "Everybody knew they were militia," Brugger said. "You don't mess with them."

    About a month ago, 50 vehicles showed up on the property, and the women said neighbors assumed something bad was going on.

    George Ponce, 18, who works at a pizzeria next door to a home raided in Hammond, Ind., said he and a few co-workers stepped outside for a break Saturday night and saw a swarm of law enforcement.

    "I heard a yell, 'Get back inside!' and saw a squad member pointing a rifle at us," Ponce said. "They told us the bomb squad was going in, sweeping the house looking for bombs."

    He said another agent was in the bushes near the house, and law enforcement vehicles were "all over." He estimated that agents took more than two dozen guns from the house.

    Another employee, Ron Jakubczak, said the man who lived in the house often wore Army fatigues and would "play-fight" with his purebred German Shepherds. People at the pizzeria were surprised to find a military transport vehicle once parked in the man's yard, he said.

    In Ohio, one of the raids occurred at Bayshore Estates, a well-kept trailer park in Sandusky, a small city on Lake Erie between Toledo and Cleveland. Neighbors said the man taken into custody lived in a trailer on a cul-de-sac with his wife and two young children.

    A young man who answered the door at the trailer Sunday said no one from the family wanted to talk. A neighbor said he saw authorities with rifles run past his window and toward the trailer Saturday night.

    "They took over the block like it was the Army. I thought we were being invaded," said Michael Morin, who lives two lots away.

    Park manager Terry Mills said authorities blocked off the street for about an hour Saturday night.

    "Needless to say, this has everyone talking," said Mills, 62. "We have a lot of retirees here who don't want all this commotion."

    FBI agents in Ohio also made an arrest in Huron on Saturday night, said Wilson, the FBI spokesman. He said no further information would be released until after they appeared in court Monday.

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    Associated Press Writers Erin Gartner in Chicago; Rick Callahan and Charles Wilson in Indianapolis; John Seewer in Sandusky, Ohio; Matt Leingang in Columbus, Ohio; and Devlin Barrett in Washington contributed to this report.

    (This version CORRECTS location of property to southeast Michigan instead of southwest Michigan in 5th graf.)
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    "FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations."

    Would these islamic groups be the same ones that support terrorist acts against Christians and want Israel destroyed and all the Jews murdered?

    I think the real reason for the raids is that these folks are training to fight against the anti-christ, and that makes a certain person in Washington very nervous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce130 View Post
    FoxNews.com is reporting it as a pipe-bomb sweep. That sounds like something the local PD could handle, IMO. Hopefully the truth will come out tomorrow during the arraignment.
    The first line in the story suggests otherwise;

    The FBI said Sunday that agents conducted weekend raids in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio and arrested at least three people, and a militia leader in Michigan said the target of at least one raid was a Christian militia group.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    Some reports say that these guys were making pipe bombs. If this is true that takes it to a whole new level. Something is basically wrong with a group that has an "Evil Jew" forum on their website.

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    * At Least 7 Arrests After FBI Raids In Midwest

    By DEVLIN BARRETT
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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nine suspects tied to a Christian militia in the Midwest are charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral in the hopes of killing more law enforcement people, federal prosecutors said Monday.

    Members of the group called Hutaree are charged in the case, including their leader, David Brian Stone.

    Once other officers gathered for the slain officer's funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing more, according to newly unsealed court papers.

    The charges follow FBI raids over the weekend on locations in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana.

    According to investigators, the Hutaree view local, state, and federal law enforcement personnel as a "brotherhood" and an enemy, and planned to attack them as part of an armed struggle against the U.S. government.

    Eight suspects have been arrested by the FBI, and one more is being sought.

    Andrew Arena, head of the FBI's field office in Detroit, said the case "is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society. The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States."

    (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
    I guess they were not peace loving Christians after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I guess they were not peace loving Christians after all.
    We shall see. I, for one, remain skeptical. I'm still willing to bet that this a case of extreme government overreaction. If I'm wrong, I'll re-visit the thread and admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I guess they were not peace loving Christians after all.
    No, no, no...you must be wrong. After all, they were a fine group of "Christians" and the whole thing is "shady" and the charges will all be dropped in the end. Just a few innocent good ol' church goin' boys having a little fun and spreadin' the "gospel".

    It has been my experience that just because a group claims to be "Christian" does not mean they display a single trait of a follower of Christ or have any true desire to do so. Just check out a few of the white-supremacist groups who prominently feature "Christian" or "Lord" or something similar in their name.
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    Info I heard on TV this AM was that they were planning to shoot a policeman and then either shoot at the first responders to the scene or at people who attended the funeral.
    Good to see that our very own homegrown- non-jihadist terrorists are learning from OBL.(sarcasm).
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    You know, even Christ wasn't 'peace loving.'

    He overturned tables in the temple.

    He admonished his disciples to carry a short sword.

    He said he hadn't come to bring peace, but a sword.

    He was constantly antagonistic toward his detractors.

    Off topic, but these are all documented facts, in the Bible, about a real person. Not a religious topic, banned by the forum rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo View Post
    No, no, no...you must be wrong. After all, they were a fine group of "Christians" and the whole thing is "shady" and the charges will all be dropped in the end. Just a few innocent good ol' church goin' boys having a little fun and spreadin' the "gospel".
    I'm sorry, did someone say these guys were a fine group or dismiss their activities as merely "fun?" Nice straw man, though.

    Media reports are often wrong and informants are often wrong as well. I agree with Deuce130...there are dozens of groups in America that talk about doing violence to others (black panthers, KKK, etc) yet they aren't being raided. Extreme ideas, while often distasteful, are not illegal. We'll see if these guys really were conspiring to commmit murder of if this was government overreaction. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger View Post
    Nice straw man, though.
    It was not an argument...it was sarcasm. I love how people like to throw the term "straw man" around now. It has become the "term de jour", sort of like "sheep" and "sheep dog". It may not be applicable, but it makes me sound intelligent and insightful, so I will throw it in a post every now and then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holger View Post
    I'm sorry, did someone say these guys were a fine group or dismiss their activities as merely "fun?"
    No need to apologize, you simply misunderstood. But I appreciate it, just the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holger View Post
    We'll see if these guys really were conspiring to commmit murder of if this was government overreaction. Time will tell.
    Yes, that is the general idea. The law enforcement agencies involved had enough information to convince a judge to sign the warrants. Next comes the trial process. The various parts of the judicial process will be used to determine whether or not the warrants were actually valid and whether or not enough evidence exists for a trial to move forward. Then a jury will decide (assuming they opt for jury trial) whether or not the government has enough evidence to convict the defendents. The defense may prove that the informant or informants lied. The defense may prove that the LEO affiants lied. Or the the government may prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Heck, the defendants might proudly admit to what they did. At this point, nobody knows. Hence, the "judicial process".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo View Post
    It was not an argument...it was sarcasm. I love how people like to throw the term "straw man" around now. It has become the "term de jour", sort of like "sheep" and "sheep dog". It may not be applicable, but it makes me sound intelligent and insightful, so I will throw it in a post every now and then.
    Or du jour, but I know what you meant. It was applicable, and sarcasm and straw men go quite well together. I'm certainly not above combining the two techniques.

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