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A church group is going to funerals of soldiers, killed over in the sandbox, but your not going to ...
March 31st, 2010 07:59 PM
Somebody in Kansas stop these nutjobs,
A church group is going to funerals of soldiers, killed over in the sandbox, but your not going to like why they are attending
Here s the link with the story following, Some people are just nuts.
Dad of a fallen Marine perseveres against protests at military funerals - Yahoo! News
Dad of a fallen Marine perseveres against protests at military funerals
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Washington – A father of a Marine killed in Iraq says he won't pay the legal fees of a protest group who picketed at his son's funeral in 2006 – at least not until he hears from the US Supreme Court on the matter.
[Update from The Newsroom: Bill O'Reilly has offered to foot the bill.]
Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in Iraq, learned Friday that a federal appeals court is requiring him to pay more than $16,000 in legal fees to the Westboro Baptist Church, a Christian fundamentalist group that demonstrates during military funerals to gain attention for its antigovernment, antihomosexual message. The group rallied at Matthew Snyder’s funeral in March 2006 in Westminster, Md., chanting antigay slogans and carrying signs such as “Thank God for dead soldiers,” says Albert Snyder’s attorney, Sean Summers.
The group was protesting about 30 feet from the church’s main entrance, and Mr. Snyder had to enter through a separate entrance, Mr. Summers says.
Snyder subsequently sued the Westboro group for emotional distress and won a $5 million judgment. But on appeal, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed, finding in favor of protecting the protesters' free-speech rights. About three weeks ago, the Supreme Court agreed to take the case and is expected to hear it in the fall. (Last year, the high court had declined to take up the issue.) Meanwhile, the circuit court has ordered Snyder, a salesman, to pay the church’s court expenses.
Snyder, of York, Pa., told Fox News on Tuesday that he would not pay the Westboro Baptist Church "until I hear from the Supreme Court."
“It’s fair to say that they are not getting any Christmas cards from Mr. Snyder,” adds Summers, in a phone interview. “He obviously thinks they are despicable and doesn’t understand why they would target him.”
The Westboro group has been protesting at military members’ funerals for years. The church leader, Fred Phelps, preaches that American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan are punishment for the nation’s tolerance of homosexuality. (He was among those banned from Britain last year for fostering hatred or extremism.) The protests have nothing to do with the fallen service members' sexual orientation, and the church says its protests are held within a “lawful distance” of the funerals.
Ultimately, say some, the church protests are a matter of constitutionally protected free speech.
“I really don’t see that [the protest] was a violation of the First Amendment [principles]. It was a violation of decorum and good taste and all sorts of other things, but not a violation of the First Amendment,” says Charles Gittins, a civilian lawyer in Virginia.
But Summers argues that his client’s right to peaceful assembly and freedom of religion were infringed by the protests and that, unlike at a public park where people are free to express themselves, a funeral setting draws a “captive audience” that requires attendees to be in a particular location – they can’t simply walk away.
Westboro Baptist Church, which is based in Kansas, plans to protest in Florida on Wednesday, outside a funeral for a Marine killed in Helmand Province in southern Afghanistan on March 22.
“Military funerals have become pagan orgies of idolatrous blasphemy, where they pray to the dunghill gods of Sodom and play taps to a fallen fool,” states a press release posted on the church’s website, announcing the rally at a memorial service for Lance Cpl. Justin Wilson. At the bottom of the press release are printed the words “Thank God for IEDs,” referring to the roadside bombs that have killed thousands of troops in both wars
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Someone left a reply under the original article saying that maybe a few thousand soldiers/vets should also attend the next funeral they show up to
Now that would be a good Idea!
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March 31st, 2010 08:03 PM
I was absolutely stunned when this story broke.
But on appeal, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed, finding in favor of protecting the protesters' free-speech rights. Meanwhile, the circuit court has ordered Snyder, a salesman, to pay the church’s court expenses.
Fortunately, Bill O'Reilly has paid Mr. Snyder's court expenses.
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March 31st, 2010 09:53 PM
Well I'm a Baptist and I feel that this particular group is about as close to Baptist religion as the radical Muslims are to the Muslim religion.
The God I know would not have you disrespecting the dead, or immediate family during their hour of grief.
Isn't it ironic that our fighting men and women have fought and died so these lunitics have the right to be so darned stupid.
March 31st, 2010 10:05 PM
I still cannot understand how their protests of fallen soldiers are not akin to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Were they to do the same thing at an AIDS activists' funeral, they'd certainly be charged with a hate crime as a minimum. Would the courts allow a KKK rally at a MLK celebration? Hellzno. I'm sure they'd consider it a clear incitement to violence. Why is it OK at a soldier's funeral?
One hand it would be nice to simply ignore the WBC and not give them the attention they crave. On the other, it'd be nice to be on the delivering end of a beat down of Fred Phelps.
March 31st, 2010 10:24 PM
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