Bounty hunter raids Home Without Warrant ??

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    I don't know what the laws are in every state, but about three weeks ago I talked to an assistant DA that told me that "bounty hunters" have no right or authority above private citizens, 1872 law or otherwise. The ADA said something about some false information about that law being floated around at "bounty hunter trainings or something" some years ago. I can't find anything in our penal code, but if anyone has anything I can read otherwise, lemme know. I've heard all kinds of rumors about this law, but never really seen it. "THEY SAY." Never do anything that only "THEY" say is okay. "THEY" don't get into trouble very often for what THEY tell everybody to do.
    That might explain why we seldom deal with them locally. A few bondsmen have shown up with people in tow (cuffed even) that they had dropped bond on at the PD and turned them over to us. Not folks that were resisting or even upset about it. Mostly, they just call us and say, "Hey, there is a guy with a bond forfeiture warrant at 123 Crook Street, I'm watching his car now" and we'll go arrest them if they are there and we can confirm a warrant. In one call I went on, the guy had a copy of a warrant, guess we confirmed first...but, we knocked on the door and nobody answered and we had no reason to enter. The bondsman, bounty hunter, or whatever, said he had the right to kick in the door and go after the guy. We told him kick away, we were going back to the car to clear the call. He fumed, he didn't kick in the door, he left, we left.
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    Unless I am the one that signed out on bail.......if you show up at my house and kick the door or push your way in, your gonna get a mouthfull of lead, and a creased mellon!! Best bet....show up with a Warrent and show it to me first.
    Bounty hunters get lucky because they are usually chasing someone who wants to get away, but they sometimes get overly aggressive...... might cost them thier life one day if they kick the wrong door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibesarcasm View Post
    Unless I am the one that signed out on bail.......if you show up at my house and kick the door or push your way in, your gonna get a mouthfull of lead, and a creased mellon!! Best bet....show up with a Warrent and show it to me first.
    Bounty hunters get lucky because they are usually chasing someone who wants to get away, but they sometimes get overly aggressive...... might cost them thier life one day if they kick the wrong door.
    Amen to that...and it will be a cold day in hell before I sign someone out on bail
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibesarcasm View Post
    if you show up at my house and kick the door or push your way in, your gonna get a mouthfull of lead, and a creased mellon!! Best bet....show up with a Warrent and show it to me first.
    That's a good way to get shot and/or go to prison.
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    why on earth do bounty hunters need a warrant to search for a fugitive? all they can do is simply wait for them outside or drop the bail on the fugitive and it makes them open for the police to have an outstanding warrant out for them.

    i wouldnt risk my life for no scumbag even if i was a bail bondsman, i would give the dirty work back to the court to take care of it and then keep the 10 percent bail and take whatever the scumbag has put down for jumping bail- case closed.

    If the scumbag fugitive doesnt show up for court , the police come and take him to jail and the bail bondsman take whatever the bail is worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mmPro View Post
    why on earth do bounty hunters need a warrant to search for a fugitive? all they can do is simply wait for them outside or drop the bail on the fugitive and it makes them open for the police to have an outstanding warrant out for them.

    i wouldnt risk my life for no scumbag even if i was a bail bondsman, i would give the dirty work back to the court to take care of it and then keep the 10 percent bail and take whatever the scumbag has put down for jumping bail- case closed.

    If the scumbag fugitive doesnt show up for court , the police come and take him to jail and the bail bondsman take whatever the bail is worth.
    That is assuming the subject gets arrested. There are plenty of people who become fugitives who the police never apprehend. The surety then has to come up with the entire amount of the bond that was set.

    That's the whole business model behind bounty hunting. It's cheaper for the surety to pay a percentage of the total bond to a bounty hunter, than it is to pay the entire bond to the court.

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    Very high risk loan with 10% down and as much additional collateral as can be raised, pledged, liened, just in case.

    Once the BG doesn't show your money is gone.

    I'll talk to someone in the business tomorrow, maybe, and if the thread is still up will have more to say.

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    There would have been 3 or 4 dead people leaving in black bags if they did that to my home or me but either way you get the point. I would face the 12 peers afterward but that would not fly in my home. If there was a genuine LEO at my house with an actual warrant and showed me I would gladly escort them where ever they needed and offer a glass of sweet tea.

    That is breaking and entering and in my mind I dont know if they purchased those uniforms at the local store, use them to look official, and break in and steal or rape or hurt my wife and family.

    I would like to see a jury convict a citizen for that.

    Not to mention my father is a retired LEO and he would have NEVER committed a blatant felony such as this. I hope those people (if the video is real) do a hard cold 10 years each in federal pen for that crime.
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    I can only speak for NY. I have taken several classes on Bail Enforcement.

    There is plenty of bad info out there. But here in NY once you sign on the dotted line your soul is in the hands of the Bail Bondsman. He can pick up and drop you off back at jail. No rhyme No reason. Even on the Sabbath.

    Yes, Bail Bondsman are on the line for the full dollar amount that they promise the court.

    Here is a great explaination. THE BAIL BOND RECOVERY BUSINESS

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    A bench warrant is issued when a subject fails to appear for court so the subject should be well aware that he has an outstanding warrant. I have locked up many people for warrants with out actually having the warrant on me.
    I'm still confused as to how I would know that I have to let a LEO into my house. I have always presumed that if they do not have a warrant I am not obligated to let them in. As I said in my original post I realize an officer can lie to me so how can I know without an actual paper? I am not talking about the bounty hunters but want to know my rights if a LEO wants in. Can he claim to have a warrant even if he doesn't have one? Are there limits to what they are allowed to lie about in an effort to apprehend someone?

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    Sheriff's department launches internal investigation after deputies enter woman's home | KGET TV 17

    Sheriff's department launches internal investigation after deputies enter woman's home

    Last Update: 4/01 8:58 pm

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    17 News discovered a youtube video of Kern County Sheriff's Deputies and a bail bonds enforcement officer entering a local woman's home after she told them they couldn't come in without a warrant and her consent. With the evidence she caught on tape, the law seems to be on her side.

    "I don't need a warrant," the bondsman said as he appeared to enter on his own into the home from a back door on the youtube video.

    There were also sheriff's deputies at the front door. Deputies and bail bond enforcement officials have different laws but a local bail bondsman not affiliate with this case said what happened in this case was against the law.

    "If you see the person go in, you can go in," Glenn Pierce, the owner of Gotta Go Bail Bonds said. "But you just can't go in randomly."

    The woman who lived at the home told 17 News her name is Star. She said she is in hiding because threats were made against her. She also said deputies and the bail bondsman violated her rights by forcing entry into her home after she stated she was the only one there.

    Attorney H.A. Sala says based on the video evidence, the Sheriff's Department could have a lawsuit on its hands because of the way they forced into the home without any knowledge of the wanted person being in the home. "They have to knock, state a purpose, say they have a warrant and give time for the person to surrender," Sala said.

    Authorities were looking for Joseph Baker who was arrested for battery on a peace officer in September. They were also looking for a man named Alan Gjurovich because he co-signed on Baker's bail bond which Baker forfeited by not showing up in court. Gjurovich is in hiding but spoke to 17 News by phone. He said the sheriff's department is trying to stop him from filing a lawsuit against the county that could damage county judge and clerks' credibility.

    "They're trying to scare us out of town and out of the county," Gjurovich said. "The message I was getting, they were giving us a 48 hour ultimatum--give them what they want on Joe Baker or they will personally come down and arrest me."

    Sheriff Donny Youngblood confirmed the deputies in the video are from the Kern County Sheriff's Department, but he said he can't comment because an internal affairs investigation is being launched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    I'm still confused as to how I would know that I have to let a LEO into my house. I have always presumed that if they do not have a warrant I am not obligated to let them in. As I said in my original post I realize an officer can lie to me so how can I know without an actual paper? I am not talking about the bounty hunters but want to know my rights if a LEO wants in. Can he claim to have a warrant even if he doesn't have one? Are there limits to what they are allowed to lie about in an effort to apprehend someone?
    It probably won't do any good for an LEO to lie about having a warrant. If he searches a home without a warrant or warrant exception & probable cause, any evidence will be invalid in court.

    Bottom line is that the police aren't going to break down your door without a warrant or warrant exception & probable cause. If they do have a warrant, they aren't obligated to let your wife flush the dope down the toilet while you stand at the door reading the paperwork. You don't have to let them in; they will let themselves in.
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    I feel like in this video just ONE of the officers could have identified himself and explain who they were looking for. they never even said why they were in her house....much less a warrant. I just cant see this happening where i live, but who knows. They diddnt shout POLICE while they were banging because they wanted the bail enforcement to do the entry. I am afraid if this happend at my house I might have been laying in a pool of blood at the end of the day.......But my wife and kids would be set for life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by old geezer View Post
    Sheriff's department launches internal investigation after deputies enter woman's home | KGET TV 17

    Sheriff's department launches internal investigation after deputies enter woman's home

    Last Update: 4/01 8:58 pm

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    17 News discovered a youtube video of Kern County Sheriff's Deputies and a bail bonds enforcement officer entering a local woman's home after she told them they couldn't come in without a warrant and her consent. With the evidence she caught on tape, the law seems to be on her side.

    "I don't need a warrant," the bondsman said as he appeared to enter on his own into the home from a back door on the youtube video.

    There were also sheriff's deputies at the front door. Deputies and bail bond enforcement officials have different laws but a local bail bondsman not affiliate with this case said what happened in this case was against the law.

    "If you see the person go in, you can go in," Glenn Pierce, the owner of Gotta Go Bail Bonds said. "But you just can't go in randomly."

    The woman who lived at the home told 17 News her name is Star. She said she is in hiding because threats were made against her. She also said deputies and the bail bondsman violated her rights by forcing entry into her home after she stated she was the only one there.

    Attorney H.A. Sala says based on the video evidence, the Sheriff's Department could have a lawsuit on its hands because of the way they forced into the home without any knowledge of the wanted person being in the home. "They have to knock, state a purpose, say they have a warrant and give time for the person to surrender," Sala said.

    Authorities were looking for Joseph Baker who was arrested for battery on a peace officer in September. They were also looking for a man named Alan Gjurovich because he co-signed on Baker's bail bond which Baker forfeited by not showing up in court. Gjurovich is in hiding but spoke to 17 News by phone. He said the sheriff's department is trying to stop him from filing a lawsuit against the county that could damage county judge and clerks' credibility.

    "They're trying to scare us out of town and out of the county," Gjurovich said. "The message I was getting, they were giving us a 48 hour ultimatum--give them what they want on Joe Baker or they will personally come down and arrest me."

    Sheriff Donny Youngblood confirmed the deputies in the video are from the Kern County Sheriff's Department, but he said he can't comment because an internal affairs investigation is being launched.


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