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    Air Marshals

    "You'd never know an air marshal is beside you with a semi-automatic, unless your plane is hijacked...."

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    That was a interesting article. I would love to read/see more about their training and everything they have to go through. I wonder if they are also trained on how to fly and/or land the plane?
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    Last time I flew (Anchorage to Seattle) my wife and I were in First Class, plane was ready to go then two guys got on, they saw the stewardess and said "we're the Air Marshals", flashed badges, then knocked on the cockpit door and repeated the process with the pilots. Way to be low key.

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    I wonder if Air Marshals have to unload and turn in their weapons while flying over California or Illinois?
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    Here's a fact about the Air Marshal program:

    More Marshals have been arrested for FELONIES, than people arrested by Air Marshals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post
    Here's a fact about the Air Marshal program:

    More Marshals have been arrested for FELONIES, than people arrested by Air Marshals!
    I have no doubt that is true, however, we will never know what they may have thwarted simply by existing.

    Back when the program first started, I was a part of their tubular assault training. I helped come up with some methods still being used. Working with the newly formed division, I was very impressed with the caliber of person they were drawing. They hired no slouches or Poindexters the other Federal LE agencies loved, which really surprised me due to the low pay scale and obvious travel time the job required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippys View Post
    "You'd never know an air marshal is beside you with a semi-automatic, unless your plane is hijacked...."
    Not always true...

    But it was their fault. A few years ago I was flying and got to the airport early, not knowing the local traffic. As is my habit I went through security and went and sat at the departure gate, whipped out my book and proceeded to try and read. Well, there was this "couple", and the female was a spanish speaker with a "volume control" problem, just yelling into her cell phone... I got very little reading done.

    About 10 minutes after the plane arrived at the gate, and 15 minutes or better prior to boarding, these two were quietly ushered down the walk way. As I boarded I noticed they were both sitting (not together) in first class, on the aisle. I wanted to tell the guy that if he didn't want to get "made" he needed a quieter partner, but desecration won out!
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    Schneier on Security: The Effectiveness of Air Marshals

    I found this link regarding the Air Marshal's effectiveness. Since 2001 the entire program has averaged 4.2 arrests per year at a cost of $2,000,000 per arrest.
    That's a hefty price for piece of mind, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIABLO9489 View Post
    That was a interesting article. I would love to read/see more about their training and everything they have to go through. I wonder if they are also trained on how to fly and/or land the plane?
    I would prefer they kept all their secrets hidden, to maintain a tactical edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tennvol View Post
    Last time I flew (Anchorage to Seattle) my wife and I were in First Class, plane was ready to go then two guys got on, they saw the stewardess and said "we're the Air Marshals", flashed badges, then knocked on the cockpit door and repeated the process with the pilots. Way to be low key.
    That's just stupid!
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    I would prefer they kept all their secrets hidden, to maintain a tactical edge.
    I have to disagree, the Israeli's put Air Marshals on flights, all flights, in plain sight, with fully automatic UZIs. When is the last time you heard about an Israeli flight being taken or attacked?

    The more it is publicized, the more effective, IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCWFlaRuger View Post
    I have to disagree, the Israeli's put Air Marshals on flights, all flights, in plain sight, with fully automatic UZIs. When is the last time you heard about an Israeli flight being taken or attacked?

    The more it is publicized, the more effective, IMHO
    You make a good point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCWFlaRuger View Post
    I have to disagree, the Israeli's put Air Marshals on flights, all flights, in plain sight, with fully automatic UZIs. When is the last time you heard about an Israeli flight being taken or attacked?

    The more it is publicized, the more effective, IMHO
    You make a point but I believe the primary reason for the Israeli's success are their screening procedures. They're more thorough and effective than anywhere else in the world, IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CCWFlaRuger View Post
    I have to disagree, the Israeli's put Air Marshals on flights, all flights, in plain sight, with fully automatic UZIs.
    I did a short amount of research this and found nothing to corroborate this. Care to cite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspeed View Post
    Schneier on Security: The Effectiveness of Air Marshals

    I found this link regarding the Air Marshal's effectiveness. Since 2001 the entire program has averaged 4.2 arrests per year at a cost of $2,000,000 per arrest.
    That's a hefty price for piece of mind, IMO.
    2 million per arrest is more cost effective than 4.2 million per person for S&R when a plane goes down. USAMS is like the USSSUD; protection isn't measured in arrest it's measured in deterrence, which is incredibly hard to quantify.

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