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This is a discussion on U.S. closes part of Arizona to Americans within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by SIGguy229 I would think so....afterall, the Fed border is also a state border and the NG would be defending state soverignty... The ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    I would think so....afterall, the Fed border is also a state border and the NG would be defending state soverignty...
    The Governor of Arizona wants the President to authorize use of the NG...that way the feds pay the bill...

    If the Governor calls up the NG herself, the state has to foot the bill...

    Not a slam on Arizona...just fact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveJay View Post
    The Governor of Arizona wants the President to authorize use of the NG...that way the feds pay the bill...

    If the Governor calls up the NG herself, the state has to foot the bill...

    Not a slam on Arizona...just fact...
    Understood...

    I have an idea where the state can make up some money (i.e. cuts to some state services)...to fund some of this.

    Maybe the state can apply to the Fed to organize the community for something like this?
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    Northern Mexico is a narco state, we cannot treat it as part of Mexico, because the Mexician Government does not control it.

    We should go after the drug and human trafficers, and address the problems in our own country that is supplying the demand to the narco trafficers
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Understood...

    I have an idea where the state can make up some money (i.e. cuts to some state services)...to fund some of this.

    Maybe the state can apply to the Fed to organize the community for something like this?
    Or they can charge for a temporary "hunting" license
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    Northern Mexico is a narco state, we cannot treat it as part of Mexico, because the Mexician Government does not control it.
    DING, DING, DING...WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

    The government of Mexico has no control of Northern Mexico. Police Chiefs, federal police, politicians, and journalists are killed arbitrarily and without fear of retribution or punishment. The Mexican government is unwilling and, more importantly, incapable of taking control of the area. Of course, they cannot publicly admit that in the international arena.

    In my opinion, the first thing we have to do is take the restraints off of the brave men and women of the US Border Patrol and then allow them to do their job. Right now, they are hamstrung by the administration. The vast majority of Border Patrol Agents are capable and willing...they just need to be given permission to actually accomplish their mission. Additionally (still my personal opinion), every State Police agency, Sheriff's Department and police agency on the border should be receiving federal funds specifically devoted to hiring personnel to be assigned to border control duty. Finally (again, just my opinion), federalize the National Guard for Border Duty, however, not in the manner in which it is currently being done. NG troops currently assigned to the border are being used as "observers" only. Get them locked 'n loaded and let them actually secure the border.

    We can continue to pour millions of dollars into Homeland Security programs, but if we don't secure our borders, it is all wasted money. The bad guys can walk right in and walk right out. What is the point of having an expensive alarm system on your house if you don't include the front and back door and then leave them unlocked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus View Post
    I am stunned. How have we as a country become so impotent?
    How impotent are we becoming?

    Southern states being invaded by alien predators.

    Florida has an estimated 150,000 Burmese Pythons on the loose. They are destroying the natural balance of wildlife in every part of the state as well as posing a threat to livestock, pets and even humans. Monitor lizards growing both in number and size are joining the pythons as another major threat. Feral hogs numbered in the millions are devastating wildlife and agriculture throughout the South.

    When one of these menaces is spotted what do we do? Send in a wrangler or an animal control officer with a lasso. Then what??? Release them somewhere else??? Euthanize them??? Are we becoming so politically correct that we can't see a dangerous threat for what it is and deal with it in a simple cost effective manner???

    Time to recognize this for what it is, an invasion of epidemic proportions. Send in someone with a shotgun! Shoot the damned things! Announce open season with a bounty on them! Make belts, wallets, boots or pulled pork out of them!

    Have we become so unwilling to defend ourselves, the country in which we live and our natural resources that we turn the other cheek at anything posing a threat?


    We have threats coming at us from every direction and all that ever gets done is nothing.

    If we can't control some snakes, lizards and hogs how the heck can we expect to stop any other kind of invasion?

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    This is insane. Check out this statement from the Pinal County, AZ Sheriff:

    Sheriff - SheriffMessage - Message from the Sheriff

    Armed foreign invaders control large parcels of US soil, and our government's primary concern is suing the state of Arizona over their efforts to repel this onslaught?

    Seriously, what happened to our country?

    Look at the photos linked from the Sheriff's page. It's a darn shame the aircraft or UAV that took those didn't have a Hellfire handy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by arffdog875 View Post
    W.T.F ??????? And the worthless BAG - O - Schitt person some people call the president is allowing to happen????? Sounds like AZ has a new hunting season south of I-8! Is there a daily bag limit???
    Probably have to pay for an extra tag for younger bucks
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    There is something fundamentally wrong with this.

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    From Article 10
    "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
    Seems to me that feds have said Arizona has actually been invaded. They are now free to wage war etc without the consent of congress. I imagine if they ask nicely Gov. Perry might be willing to dispatch units of the Texas State Guard to assist repelling the bandits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    From Article 10
    "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
    Seems to me that feds have said Arizona has actually been invaded. They are now free to wage war etc without the consent of congress. I imagine if they ask nicely Gov. Perry might be willing to dispatch units of the Texas State Guard to assist repelling the bandits.

    Gov. Perry panders to Mexico. He won't do a thing except maybe try to reopen that trans mexico corridor

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    IMHO, it's time to get serious.

    Dust off / clean up a couple of Vietnam era interdiction aircraft - the EC-47 "Gabby" and the AC-47 "Spooky". (AC-130s would cost more to operate, and they are a bit of overkill)

    The mission profile is very similar to the one from SE Asia. Upon detection of a group of individuals moving across the border at night, Gabby orbits the target and plays a message over the speakers, something to the effect of "You are in the border interdiction are unlawfully. Lie down on the ground with your hands on your head immediately" in English and Spanish. Pop an illumination flare or two.

    Meanwhile, Spooky is orbiting a thousand feet above and about 1/4 turn behind Gabby.

    If the targets comply, great. A BP unit comes in to cuff and stuff.

    If not, the Spooky cuts loose with a warning burst. Still no compliance? Fire for effect.

    You'd only have to do it a couple times before the message sank in - the Gringos aren't playing anymore.

    We're practically at war along our southern border - it's time to act like it.
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