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    A few B-1s, a couple of AC-130s, a squadron of A-10s, some AH-64s, 4 or 5 infantry battalions, and a healthy dose of marine snipers. Thats a recipe for a solution.
    Set up a perimeter around the area, blocking all exits but the way back to mexico; then give them 2 days to leave (just making it sound nice while we prepare the above recipe), and on day 3 it becomes world war 3.
    If my base asked for volunteers I would be the first one on the plane. The only thing these people will listen to is swift, brutal force.


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    Some of you are shooting the messengers. The warning is fine, now the next step, take control.
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    Well, the antis wanted to know where these "Militias" are that they claim the 2A only applies to. This keeps up, and they will find out.

    I'm in CO. If the call goes out for volunteers, count me in.

    If the invaders are armed, ammo and weapons should not be a problem. Clear a hot spot, and recycle/upgrade.

    Probably ought to order that new 8x scope for my PSL now.
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    This truly is an embarrassment. Our administration and all before it should have addressed this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Storm View Post
    That's what happens when the majority elect Obama for President. It seems we don't have as much teeth anymore like we used to. We need to to elect officials with more balls to stand up for our freedom and sovereignty this coming election in November
    Well...at least he hasn't actually bowed on international TV to the drug cartel leaders yet...
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    Whiskey,Tango,Foxtrot........... what is our government thinking letting this situation exist? Was it this bad during the Bush administration and we just didn't know it or is this happening because the trafficers know we are now a paper tiger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    I hope you are joking. I know a DEA agent in Phoenix, and he's told me it's all out war and he hopes he just lives long enough to get a desk job.
    I was joking, 100% late night sarcasm. Send the military down there ASAP, reclaim the border and seal it up like Fort Knox. It's time to put an end to this nonsense once and for all.

    Any politician who is not for fixing this problem needs to be shown the door in November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo View Post
    DING, DING, DING...WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

    The government of Mexico has no control of Northern Mexico. Police Chiefs, federal police, politicians, and journalists are killed arbitrarily and without fear of retribution or punishment. The Mexican government is unwilling and, more importantly, incapable of taking control of the area. Of course, they cannot publicly admit that in the international arena.

    In my opinion, the first thing we have to do is take the restraints off of the brave men and women of the US Border Patrol and then allow them to do their job. Right now, they are hamstrung by the administration. The vast majority of Border Patrol Agents are capable and willing...they just need to be given permission to actually accomplish their mission. Additionally (still my personal opinion), every State Police agency, Sheriff's Department and police agency on the border should be receiving federal funds specifically devoted to hiring personnel to be assigned to border control duty. Finally (again, just my opinion), federalize the National Guard for Border Duty, however, not in the manner in which it is currently being done. NG troops currently assigned to the border are being used as "observers" only. Get them locked 'n loaded and let them actually secure the border.

    We can continue to pour millions of dollars into Homeland Security programs, but if we don't secure our borders, it is all wasted money. The bad guys can walk right in and walk right out. What is the point of having an expensive alarm system on your house if you don't include the front and back door and then leave them unlocked?

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    News Hounds: Fox News Keeps Fear Mongering Over Closure Of Section Of Wildlife Refuge

    "Several media outlets have been inaccurately reporting that a massive stretch of the US border at Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge (NWR) was recently closed. Buenos Aires NWR in southern Arizona has not been closed to the public. Nearly 5-years ago, a very small portion of the Refuge closed to public access due to public safety concerns. However, the remainder (99.98%) of the refuge's 118,000 acres is open to the public for recreational activities such as hiking, camping, bird-watching, and seasonal hunting.

    Recent news items further falsely stated that the closure extends from the border 80-miles to the north. This distance is far from accurate. On October 6, 2006 roughly 3500 acres, or 0.02% of the Refuge, was closed to public access due to human safety concerns."

    While it would be lovely that the 0.02 % which was closed could remain open,
    even Bronx Park in the heart of NYC had portions known to be unsafe 55 years back. Most parks have unsafe areas.

    What is astounding here is the exaggeration, the propaganda, and the hysteria.

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    Bottom line is they closed a portion of the park on the Mexican border because THEY CANNOT PROTECT IT and it is a DANGER to American Citizens. I hunt down by Casa Grande and have had situations before. It IS dangerous.

    But hey let's fear monger right, there is no real threat, go enjoy the desert near the border

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    FYI THESE are the signs that run from Casa Grande.....80 miles to the border:



    So while NOT closed they effectively run off all tourists

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    Keep up the fight Arizona!

    America is being fundamentally changed right before your eyes.

    The radical progressives, freaks, socialists have organized and have taken over, time to step aside all of you flag waving idiots. There's a new boss in town, and you now work for Maurice Strong, Andy Stearn, George Soros, Al Gore, Joel Rogers, Franklin Raines, Vance Jones, Bill Ayers, Valerie Jarrett, and this brainless puppet with zero leadership or work experience that they promoted and marketed right in to the Oval Office. They run the show, they have the plan, it's their way or the highway, they made they game and they make the rules. Help them with their plan but keep your thoughts to yourself, because what you think doesn't matter anyhow, they're doing the thinking for you, they'll tell you what you need to hear, you're too simple to understand, afterall, they're a lot smarter than you. They laugh at you, the american patriot, to them you're just dim-witted sucker, a stupid old dinosaur that's not part of their twisted vision.

    Don't resist it, don't be mad, don'teven be sad, just get with the program, drink the cool-aide, get all politically correct, give up your freedoms, give up your guns, change the history books,and let them indoctrinate you and your kids into the future. You are powerless, they call the shots now, it's all about them, their power, their money, their control. So go buy a Prius, reduce your carbon footprint, change your light bulbs, smoke a joint, bow down to your enemies, open the borders, and sit back and enjoy the ride as America as we once knew it gets capped and traded right into being the poster child for the new global totalitarian state.

    You asked for it, you got it. YES WE CAN! CHANGE!
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    A sign that says, "travel is not recommended" isn't the same thing as the place being closed.
    It is certainly not the same thing as what some of the headlines scream, that the US has ceded territory to Mexico.

    I'm not saying the place is safe. I'm not saying more can't be done to make it safe.

    What I am objecting to is using a several years old limited placement of warning signs to create an exaggerated climate of fear in the present.

    Sure, send the Marines. Carpet bomb it with napalm if that will make you guys happy. Its only 5 square miles.

    I like the tag line used by DC member Gilraen: "Those who believe things without evidence will believe anything."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    A sign that says, "travel is not recommended" isn't the same thing as the place being closed.
    It is certainly not the same thing as what some of the headlines scream, that the US has ceded territory to Mexico.

    I'm not saying the place is safe. I'm not saying more can't be done to make it safe.

    What I am objecting to is using a several years old limited placement of warning signs to create an exaggerated climate of fear in the present.

    Sure, send the Marines. Carpet bomb it with napalm if that will make you guys happy. Its only 5 square miles.

    I like the tag line used by DC member Gilraen: "Those who believe things without evidence will believe anything."
    5 square miles? You know NOTHING about what is going on here. Go stick your head back in the sand. Casa Grande is 120 miles from the border. But what do i know, I just LIVE and HUNT here

    The new signs (11 or 12 of them) were put up recently as in the past week. Again I apologize for offending the liberals on this board. There is no problem on the border. US citizens and LE officers aren't being shot and killed. Armed cartel members do not roam freely. The government has it all under control.

    All i see is the media reporting the truth:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/17...fety-concerns/

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/16...der-americans/

    Look at that fox news fear mongering

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    Come on, now. The Feds don't have the time and resources to control the borders. They're too busy with serious threats to national securty like these two sisters:

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