Mexican Gangs.. have permanent bases in Arizona: Merged

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    Do you not consider pamphlets printed and distributed by the Mexican Government advising their citizens on ways to enter the US illegally Government support of the invaders.

    I do.

    It is time for the US Government to perform its primary duty of enforcing our border laws or issuing permits to the citizens of Arizona allowing us to handle the problem as we see fit.
    TOF - I do agree that pamphlets noted above are a problem, but not on the same scale as armed military escorts for known criminals. Yes, both are a problem (if both exist), but one is worse by several orders of magnitude IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    ksholder wrote: "If you can prove this, then we are no longer talking about criminal gangs & cartels invading, you have a bona fide government sanctioned and funded invasion. This is by far the most far-reaching comment in this thread and, if true, demands an armed response from the US Government."

    Indeed. The key words here are "IF" and "PROVE."

    My inclination is to call bs on this one.
    Hopyard - There was a reason I worded my post as I did. I am not calling BS, but I would sure like to see some documented proof. Assuming that there is some, I will be in the face of my congresman and senator about this post haste. If it can't be proven, then ...
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    Fox news lies. This hunter did not find this cartel lookout setup near arivaca. We are not being invaded. These are just innocent campers who forgot which side of the border they are on. These are not the droids you are looking for.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    ksholder wrote: "If you can prove this, then we are no longer talking about criminal gangs & cartels invading, you have a bona fide government sanctioned and funded invasion. This is by far the most far-reaching comment in this thread and, if true, demands an armed response from the US Government."

    Indeed. The key words here are "IF" and "PROVE."

    My inclination is to call bs on this one.

    Mexican soldiers allegedly held Arizona BP agent captive : News : KGBT 4

    Oh wow LOOK it's NOT foxnews

    YouTube - Mexican Military Incursion into U.S.




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    re: ksholder "it can't be proven"

    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    Hopyard - There was a reason I worded my post as I did. I am not calling BS, but I would sure like to see some documented proof. Assuming that there is some, I will be in the face of my congresman and senator about this post haste. If it can't be proven, then.. ...
    If it could be proven we would all know about it by now.

    Hence, I stand by my characterization of the claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    If it could be proven we would all know about it by now.

    Hence, I stand by my characterization of the claim.
    Oh look 2007 Mexican military incursions into U.S. inflame border situation - U.S. news - Security - msnbc.com

    Cannot be proven. MSNBC lies.

    Oh look Border Patrol confirmation in 2008. Cannot be proven..... or we would all know about it by now. Fox lies.

    Report: Border Patrol Confirms 29 Incursions by Mexican Officials Into U.S. - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    Oh no now the FBI and Texas PD confirmed it in 2006. They lie too.

    Armed standoff along U.S. border - DailyBulletin.com



    THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING!! WE WOULD ALL KNOW ABOUT THIS BY NOW!!!! THE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT LIES!!! FELIPE CALDERON IS THE ONLY ONE WHO TELLS THE TRUTH!!!


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    re: azchevy---

    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Fox news lies. This hunter did not find this cartel lookout setup near arivaca. We are not being invaded. These are just innocent campers who forgot which side of the border they are on. These are not the droids you are looking for.







    These photos could be almost anything, and they show and prove nothing. We don't know who took them, where they were taken, and there isn't much content to them.

    As for the other stuff, same applies to YouTube Vids, and note the word "allegedly" in the headline.

    I hope no one is seriously looking for armed conflict with Mexico, because even their army is capable of inflicting serious harm on us.
    Places such as Del Rio are vulnerable and not particularly easy to defend. Same for many border towns.

    So, even if there is a rare incident of the type you claim, calmer solutions need to be followed as long as they are feasible. Hot war with Mexico would be a calamity.

    Meanwhile, let's suppose this allegation you have made were real. Where is the voice of your congressional delegation? It is silent. And probably for a good reason.

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    Every allegation is false. Hopyard is the authority on these issues. He has debunked this whole Mexican border issue. Please go back to your regularly scheduled reality tv programming.

    Imagine that:

    The lies... they should all consult Hopyard before running these reports:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlkgLpTw2gg

    Oh no first hand accounts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYeRs0g3Vf4

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    More info for people not as ignorant as some posters on this board.....

    Judicial Watch



    The intelligence summaries, which can be accessed via Judicial Watch's Internet site, www.judicialwatch.org, provide detailed maps of the incursions, along with descriptions of other documented "incidents" involving Mexican government personnel and Border Patrol agents. The records describe incidents involving shots fired on both sides of the border, unmarked helicopters invading U.S. airspace, drug smuggling, and confrontations between U.S. Border Patrol agents and armed members of the Mexican military. Among the highlights:



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    MEXICAN MILITARY ENCOUNTER (ARMED/THREATENING) RIO GRANDE VALLEY/BROWNSVILLE - "As the boat proceeded to go down river towards the scene, the [Border Patrol] Agent on board advised via radio that several Mexican soldiers were pointing their rifles in his direction. The Agent decided for his safety and the safety of the crew to turn back, but advised that the soldiers were still aiming at them." (2005)



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    MEXICAN MILITARY SIGHTING - TUCSON/DOUGLAS STATION - "The [Border Patrol] Agents were returning to their assigned area when they heard four distinct gunshots coming from Mexico. The gunshots were fired when the Agents were approximately 10 feet away." (2005)



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    MEXICAN MILITARY SIGHTING (ARMED) LAREDO/ZAPATA: "This boat, which appeared to be a Mexican Military boat, was providing security and escort for the two others that were later found to be transporting 2,716.53 pounds of Marijuana." (2003)

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    Here is more info on these "rare" incursions:

    Judicial Watch Uncovers New Documents Detailing Mexican Government Incursions - Yahoo! News

    Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that on March 22, 2010, it received records from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) concerning Mexican Government incursions and encounters along the U.S. border. The documents which are incomplete and do not contain all of the relevant data nonetheless indicate an increase in the number of incursions in 2008 and 2009. Judicial Watch's analysis of the data shows:

    * 76 Mexican Government incursions from January 2008 to December 2009 (data missing from February 2009)
    * 50 Mexican Government incursions in 2008 alone, which is double the number of incursions from the previous year
    * 528 assaults against CBP agents from January – June 2008
    * 11 assaults against National Guard agents with CBP from January – June 2008

    Still no proof eh hopyard? still rare occurance huh?

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    Oh look actual DHS statistics presented to a senate subcommittee CONFIRMING these "alleged" incursions as Hopyard has put it:

    http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/s...port_109th.pdf

    But rest assured Felipe Calderone has declared these as "accidental" so rest easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    ksholder wrote: "If you can prove this, then we are no longer talking about criminal gangs & cartels invading, you have a bona fide government sanctioned and funded invasion. This is by far the most far-reaching comment in this thread and, if true, demands an armed response from the US Government."

    Indeed. The key words here are "IF" and "PROVE."

    My inclination is to call bs on this one.
    Just because there are members of the mexican military conducting such opperations doesn't mean that it is at the request, orders or even knowledge of the Mexican Government. Cash will buy you a lot of loyalty in most places around the world. So will threats against your loved ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowsbane View Post
    Just because there are members of the mexican military conducting such opperations doesn't mean that it is at the request, orders or even knowledge of the Mexican Government. Cash will buy you a lot of loyalty in most places around the world. So will threats against your loved ones.
    BINGO! Mexico has NO control over their military. They are overrun by cartels who are now taking over the southern portions of AZ by force and intimidation.

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