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About LinkBacksKinda like this guy.Originally Posted by dukalmighty
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This is a discussion on Pit Bull Shot Three Times [including once in the head]; Still Charges Officers within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by dukalmighty It never fails to amaze me when litigants are in court for a dog bite complaint,the Judge asks what kind of ...
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Thank you for providing your cites I will read up on them.
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This is anecdotal but the only pit that I’ve ever run into that was a problem (it really wasn’t vicious) was clearly the owner’s fault we were riding in a truck and the owner kept egging the dog on to bite me and after about a minute of it I put my pistol to the dog’s head and told the owner that if the dog actually bit me I was going to kill it.
The dog’s behavior was modified rather quickly
No worries, Ex, I figured you were just yanking some chains. Unfortunately, though, not everyone gets the joke, and we therefore (perhaps unwittingly) can promote and maintain stereotypes/misinformation.
I had to kill a number of dogs while in Afghanistan; a wild pack that was endangering folks at our FOB, a few "guard dogs" at target sites, and one that was attached to my RTO's ankle. All except the last were done with rifles, and most of THOSE were with 7.62x51N. I can say with certainty that dogs can be hard to kill...
As an aside, the one that I shot with a pistol got 5 rounds of 9mm 124gr NATO ball, all to the lower chest and abdomen. They were all through-and-through (dog weighed about 45 lbs). It yelped, jumped back, fell over, and died after about 15 seconds or so.
As a dog lover, I really didn't like having to put down any of them (even the one using my RTO as a chew toy), but they ARE (at least in these cases) wild animals who posed a real danger to human beings. Sometimes things just have to be done.
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
So... how could it have been avoided? There was execution of a legal search warrant and the homeowner used the dog as a weapon. Unfortunately, the dog paid the price. I'm not sure what else could have been done, and the 'no knock' factor was not a factor at all in this.
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Those Afghan dogs are worse than any Pit-bull I have ever seen, and mean. The best defense against them we found was a dog that hung out around our base (He had been saved from Afghans trying to kill him by Marines). He was one of those big cropped ear, cropped tails, henna in the fur fighters. He would demolish any other dog in our AO, and even take on several at once. He ran point with me on foot patrols, keeping the dogs away while I scanned for IEDs. It's a shame they wouldn't let any of us adopt him, but I am sure he is still running point with our replacements.
Having to shoot dogs sucks, but if you have to do it, no matter what caliber, its probably going to take a couple well placed shops, unless you get lucky and it runs off after the first.
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Indeed. From what we can infer, the officers hadn't even reached the entry point to knock or not. And I fail to see how (actually, I know exactly how) one can't understand the concept here. A partially open garage door - say, one open a few inches from the ground - is pulled further open when the BG sees the officer(s) approaching, releasing a dog that the owner could only reasonably believe would then go after the officer(s). The dog does as the owner/BG desires, charging an approaching officer. Officer shoots to stop the threat.
At no point does the method of entry or time between knocking and entry even come into question - THEY NEVER GOT TO THE ENTRY POINTS. This didn't happen inside the house, this wasn't some surprised lap dog sleeping peacefully until the police crashed through the doors of his doggy house, this was a BG using his dog as a weapon to delay/attack police there to serve a warrant.
Only someone with a HUGE agenda (based on what, I have yet to understand) could possibly turn this into an anti-NKW screed...
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
I actually DID adopt and bring home one of them; we found her as a very young pup, and she accompanied us on many missions during our tour. We'd use her to go into those low, Soviet-built ammo storage tunnels/bunkers that riddled our AO - mostly to clear out any other critters that might have taken up residence, but also to alert us to any two-legged threats that might be holed up in there. She was mean as hell if she didn't know you, but she served me and the platoon well. I was very lucky to be able to get her out; I was among the last (if not THE last) that was able to use the vet services at Bagram to get her vaccinated and cleared for travel. Plus, I shelled out the greenbacks...
She was one of those curl-tailed, almost Spitz looking ones, not those monsters that you're talking about. We had some close encounters with those huge dogs that the Hazara nomads kept us guards/fighters, and they were some scary pooches... In the early days of my tour we were running soft-skins with no doors, and you better believe I pulled my feet WAY inside the HMMWV when those guys came out sniffing/chasing us!
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
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Whenever we walk our two Newfoundlands around the neighborhood, I always carry a 45, loaded with MAGSAFE or GLASER Silver. There was a killer Akita roaming the neighborhood awhile back and it nearly killed a friends Great Pyrenees which is no small pooch! The culprit in that attack was driven off after being beaten by a 2x4. I had a friend respond to another attack be running up to the dog that attacked a kid and screwing the PPKs he was carrying into the dogs ear and pulling the trigger three times. That solved the issue. That's what I'd do in similar circumstances. I wouldn't bother with body shots. I was wondering though if the police had ever considered TASING a dog or even just using the pepper spray which works on bears (just saw the news story on FOX) well enough...
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Do you happen to have any pictures of these dogs? I've heard a few other guys talk about them, and I'm curious to see what they actually look like.
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Here you go, SIXTO... Meet Top Secret.
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
Huh, interesting. A "Heinz 57" dog for sure. I was picturing more of a monster Dingo. Anyway, we better get back on topic, thanks for sharing though.
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First off...I agree with OPFOR...usually those who say the NKW was unnecessary, and the cops shouldnt have had to shoot the dog has never been in a situation like this. You are already amped up looking for some one who harmed othe persons, and no regard for humans, and then a dog charges you wanting to eat you for lunch. There is no time travel up the force continuum til something works. You STOP THE THREAT...period.
Second....OPFOR that is a handsome dog. I am sure he is a loyal companion.
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Yes, she was and is an awesome dog, and has calmed down a great deal since leaving A-stan... For a good while, she was very aggressive towards anyone she didn't know - it was to the point where I thought I would have to put her down, and I couldn't let her around other people. Now, after a lot of socialization, she is much more of a "normal" domesticated animal. I'm still very careful with her, especially around new people, as anyone should be with a potentially dangerous animal.
And SIXTO, there are other "breeds" over there as well. The ones buckeye (I believe) is talking about are much larger, short haired, and look a little bit like huge boxers (though the ones I encountered were usually fawns). Their ears and tails are usually cropped (or chewed off), and they are intimidating. We usually ran into them in Hazara camps - the Pashto didn't seem to have any. To get WAY off topic, the Afghans in general don't keep dogs as "pets," they are considered unclean and are generally treated VERY poorly. In Kabul especially, the wild dogs and dog packs have been responsible for a LOT of attacks, maimings, and deaths. Baghdad was similar but not quite as bad - they began an eradication program after a number of children were mauled.
All that said - "release the hounds" at police while they're serving a warrant, and expect your dog to die. No one I know is going to let themselves be attacked by ANY dog bigger than a teacup poodle without trying their darndest to stop the threat.
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
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You mean like police dogs?I have no sympathy for any owner that treats their dogs like they are weapons.
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