June 26th, 2006 10:25 PM
Apparently me and other like me. When I first got down to Houston the INS was doing it's job. They picked up the illegals and I picked up one of there jobs. Don't fall for this line of crap
Who is going to take their place doing the work than nobody else is willing to do?
It's just not true. What did we do before the illegals came? Did we all lounge around and say, no I won't do it? Hell no we did it.
Who is going to take their place doing the work than nobody else is willing to do?
June 26th, 2006 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by lostone1413
Like pigs going to market.
The leaders of both parties have long ago been bought and paid for.
June 26th, 2006 10:53 PM
Let me state that I dont care about people coming into this country to better themselves and their familys. Just do it LEGALLY. And when you do it...do it 100 %. Dont become a Mexican American. Just become AMERICAN.
While its true that most of them are hard working family guys that for the most part stay out of trouble, if they want to live here, then they should learn the language, the customs and the way of life...and fly the American flag.Teach it to their kids.
The dont need to act like they are in Mexico.Or El Salvador. Or Panama or any of the other banana republics that make up Central America. Just because you can fit 53 Mexicans in a Ford Aerostar van doesnt make it legal or practical to do here. Riding around in the back of pickup trucks may be OK in Tiajuana but it aint here. Kids need to be in car seats...not standing up in the back seat watching the world go by.They dont need to be renting two bedroom houses and letting their cousins, uncles,aunts,friends and flocks of chickens live with them.
They dont need to spend the entire summer camping in the same spot and trashing the place out.
If they want to drive then get a drivers liscence and get properly insured. If they get a ticket for anything they need to show up in court when they are supposed to. They dont need to clog up the aisles in Walmart and speak Spanish and they probably dont need to have more than 6 or 8 kids.
I've been to Mexico and I honestly cant fault anyone for wanting to leave that god forsaken place where corruption is the norm and lfe is cheap.
You wanna come play in my neighborhood....fine....
Just leave the ATZLAN crap there and do it right.
June 26th, 2006 10:58 PM
HG - could not put it much better - I too feel that way as I spent all together some five years, a lot of time and some cash - finally achieving my goal of becoming a citizen of this great country.
I feel incensed when illegals lay claim to rights that are ours thru the constitution - ours as American Citizens.
The same type of problem exists in UK - except the ''border'' is at least a small pond
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June 26th, 2006 11:31 PM
June 27th, 2006 01:52 AM
Let's see, when I was a teenage boy, alot of farm work was done by teenagers. And the pay then was LESS than minimum wage, with an incentive pay for every flat of fruits you picked.
Originally Posted by jabo2818
As for the money part of it, employers would pay more if there weren't illegals willing to work for less than minimum wage. Its called supply and demand. And it wouldn't really affect the price of food, because all the real costs of food is caused by the middlemen between the farmer and the store. My uncle (a farmer) is excited by a 10 cent a bushel increase in kernal corn due to ethanol plants! Do you really think that will affect the price of a 12 oz bag of corn in the supermarket?
Stop paying welfare recipients to sit and do nothing, some will go pick fruits and vegatables. Or automate the work, like was done with picking cotton after the Civil War.
Since illegals start out by breaking the law, they have to continue breaking the law, which when they get away with it leads to contempt for the law, which leads to further law breaking.
But ignore all of that. If you don't have control over your borders, you are not a nation. Period. It is in the definition of a nation.
Ok, time to go lower my blood pressure.
June 27th, 2006 02:20 AM
Who will do the jobs?
Americans will do them! Come to the middle of the country, BLUE COLLAR AMERICA! I have worked in a packinghouse (meat) and made a good wage, before the illegals started driving wages down. My father worked in one for about forty years, and was the sole provider for our family of five. He made a good wage, but that was before the ROBBER BARONS figured out that they could hire illegals. Then they would make huge profits, and give the top brass huge bonus's. It has happened in all industries, the middleclass is almost dead. And young couples work two jobs,and struggle to get by. while their children are raised by teenagers, that work at daycare centers. But illegals do not hurt this country, ya right.
I lived many years in Arizona, both on the border, and in N. central mountains. What was said in another post about the wages in the trades is very true, I drove a Ready-Mix concrete truck, and saw wages go down, almost as I watched. But again nobody is hurt, right?
Our jobs have been exported by the MILLIONS, we get illegals, by the MILLIONS. Will you have a job TOMORROW? And I almost forgot all of the HI-TECH IMMIGRANTS that are coming here to take the jobs that are left, and Congress is letting them come here with their BLESSING! It SCARES me to think what it will be like for my grandkids!
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June 27th, 2006 07:39 PM
Don't get me started on CEO's their board and how the average wage of a CEO is in the multi Million dollar area, as are most of the board, and how they rape the profit from the company while crying that their worker's the ones that make it profitable so they can have obscene wages are over paid and have too many benefits, how their total income is more a year than several hundred ( in some cases over a 1,000) of their workers wages combined with benefits now that really steam's me!!!
Originally Posted by DakotaXD
"The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
June 27th, 2006 08:51 PM
My apologies everyone. What I wanted to say is what DakotaXD touched on, that the CEO's of these companied need to stop giving jobs away. I did not mean to insult the hard working integrity of those who want to make an honest living. But until rich stop worrying about their pocket books, and start looking at those of us who's job they are 'out-sourcing', this country will not get better.
Maybe if we suggested the their jobs(CEO, CFO, etc.) be outsourced, they will be less likely to give ours away.
June 27th, 2006 10:04 PM
Not to mention the drain on hard currency being sent to Mexico by those working here with no intention of seeking citizenship. Over 12 Billion per year is estimated to leave the US economy in money transfers to families left in Mexico.
Originally Posted by one eyed fatman
Stop the Illegals, stop this excess "Foreign Aid" and maybe Mexico will be forced to address the issues that send their citizens north.
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June 27th, 2006 10:27 PM
Stop the Illegals, stop this excess "Foreign Aid" and maybe Mexico will be forced to address the issues that send their citizens north
That "Foreign Aid" that Mexico is getting from its people that are sending money back is about the only decent "economy" that Mexico has right now...
That and the fact that our Congress LOVES "illegals" ...
and heres PROOF of it...
THESE ARE THE SENATORS WHO VOTED TO GIVE ILLEGAL ALIENS SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS.
Grouped by Home State
Alaska: Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
California:Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut:Dodd (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Delaware:Biden (D-DE), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea
Hawaii:Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Illinois:Durbin (D-IL), Yea Obama (D-IL), Yea
Indiana:Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Kansas:Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Maryland:Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts:Kennedy (D-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Michigan:Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Nebraska:Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Nevada:Reid (D-NV), Yea
New Jersey:Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico:Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Dakota: Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Ohio:DeWine (R-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Oregon: Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Pennsylvania:Specter (R-PA), Yea
Rhode Island:Chafee (R-RI), Yea Reed (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: Graham (R-SC), Yea
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Vermont:Jeffords (I-VT), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Washington:Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia: Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
Wisconsin:Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea
One may notice that some states are missing from the list. Thats a good thing as no respresentative there felt the need to give away unearned benefits to people that arent suppossed to be here.
One may also notice that many of the names here are devoted ANTI-GUNNERS, and Pro U.N. Globalists that have NO qualms about giving away your rights to an anti American global entity.
Its always the same people. Go figure...
Last edited by HotGuns; June 27th, 2006 at 10:46 PM.
June 27th, 2006 10:39 PM
Our own government seems to becoming just as corrupt as Mexico's. Where do we go from here? Libertarian anyone? It's our last chance.
June 27th, 2006 10:48 PM
June 27th, 2006 11:58 PM
The illegals are here for a better life and they're getting it! Handed to them free of charge. The lid is off the cookie jar and open for any illegal who can't speak our nation's language. We dont' get the same deal. All because the Democrats want cheap votes and the Republicans want cheap labor.
I'm praying the Libertarians can field suitable candidtes for the next election.
And now, I have to put in a little time with dry fire practice.
July 2nd, 2006 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by rstickle
Well said. My Mother lives in Hope and works at a plant that has illegals in it. She's told me several times about near riots because of ID checks and how strange disappearances whenever INS decides to inspect. She tells me constantly about how she has noticed more incidents occuring in town and around the area. I'm constantly on her about keeping a weapon at hand and she assures me she has.
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