Illegals in the Park

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    I just went to visit some friends of mine living in Seattle area, I first met them when they emigrated to Canada with their 2 kids, they couldn’t make a go here, so they moved to Seattle. He was able to get a green card, but his wife couldn’t and had to come in on a travel visa. She has overstayed and could be deported, she has spent the last 5 years trying to get herself legal. She started house cleaning when I first met her, now she is selling real estate and just bought a 2006 Range Rover. They are a success story and want to stay in the US. I think a lot of Mexicans want to do well in the US, but you won’t hear much about them or notice them, just the wankers seem to stand out.

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    I think a lot of Mexicans want to do well in the US, but you won’t hear much about them or notice them, just the wankers seem to stand out.
    Of course they do. They are no different than anyone else...they just want a better life for their family and have more opportuntity to do it here in the states.

    She was an undocumented illegal alien. Probably couldnt get a drivers license, so she drove around without one. If she would have gotten in a carwreck with you YOUR insurance would have to pay for the both of them as she was an "uninsured driver". As a result YOUR insurance costs would go up to cover it. And mine.And everyone elses.

    And ya know what ?

    you won’t hear much about them or notice them
    but they cost us all just the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns
    Of course they do. They are no different than anyone else...they just want a better life for their family and have more opportuntity to do it here in the states.

    She was an undocumented illegal alien. Probably couldnt get a drivers license, so she drove around without one. If she would have gotten in a carwreck with you YOUR insurance would have to pay for the both of them as she was an "uninsured driver". As a result YOUR insurance costs would go up to cover it. And mine.And everyone elses.

    And ya know what ?



    but they cost us all just the same.
    Can I hear a big AMEN Bro.
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    I deal with illegal immigration everyday. Where do you all want me to start?

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    I grew up in the 60's and 70's in Southern California watching the illegal aliens gaining more and more rights as each day went by. Started seeing interpreters in the class rooms before leaving in the mid 70's and moving to Southwest Missouri. Now what was a problem for a few states has spread to all of our states. I am a nurse and work in an out patient surgery area. A large part of our services are being provided to illegal aliens. I watch them come through our system and receive the best our medical system is capable of. And make no mistake we have some of the best medical care available in the world. Then I see elderly people in our country that when given a prescription by a physician just stick it in a purse or pocket knowing that they can't afford to fill it. These people have contributed to our economy and paid into the system for longer then many of us have been alive yet can't get the same level of care as people in this country illegally and just taking and not putting back into or society.
    Now I may sound bitter about this and I am. However I want to make it clear that personal feelings aside every one that passes through our facility will receive the best care I can deliver irregardless of their immigration status. It is just very tough to watch my elderly parents struggle to afford the medicines they need and to see others just given what they have not earned.
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    You're so very right, Mike, and it's worse: illegals are helping breed resistant strains of TB, increasing hepatitis rates, and sooner or later will carry something really nasty in to "share".

    I don't have much patience with the "see both sides argument". If the Mexican people want change, come up here, keep buying guns with strawmen and under the table like the gangs do, and go home and hang a few A holes from lamp posts. But that requires real effort and dangerous sacrifice. Its much easier to be simple men, living parasitically on the fringes of a society, rather than creating one of their own.

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    Migradude......let's hear your stories....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229
    Migradude......let's hear your stories....
    +1. Life in the real world. Start at the beginning, go to the end. . .
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    Interesting article about this at:

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    Let me begin by posting an open letter written by a retired Border Patrol Agent to Senator Frist. I'll post personal experiences next time around as soon as I get a chance. You guys have to promise though that you won't shoot your computer screens.


    There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating
    > about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican,
    > Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.
    >
    >
    >
    > 1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship.
    > Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world
    > wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities
    > want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining
    > the benefits offered by the United States such as employment,
    > medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing
    > and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction
    > is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They
    > want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans.
    > What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence
    > without paying the price.
    >
    >
    >
    > 2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens
    > are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support
    > their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens
    > in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to
    > their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do
    > for a decent wage.
    >
    >
    >
    > 3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home.
    > They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left
    > jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their
    > real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent
    > out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal
    > aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation
    > of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and
    > deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the
    > responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.
    >
    >
    >
    > 4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal
    > aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they
    > reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.
    >
    >
    >
    > 5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million
    > native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was
    > settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is
    > also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was
    > not settled by immigrants at one time or another.
    >
    >
    >
    > 6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal
    > aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more
    > lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world
    > combined.
    >
    >
    >
    > 7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are
    > white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are
    > Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and
    > Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth.
    > Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead
    > end.
    >
    >
    >
    > 8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848
    > Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I
    > Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy
    > on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers
    > to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico
    > allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack
    > on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across
    > Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S.
    > stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't
    > believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their
    > schoolchildren.
    >
    >
    >
    > 9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better
    > life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1
    > billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting
    > a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into
    > America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America
    > and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight.
    > Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a
    > better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better
    > life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting
    > a better life a good reason to trash another nation?
    >
    >
    >
    > 10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie.
    > There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American
    > housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and
    > underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.
    >
    >
    >
    > 11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about
    > wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist
    > about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal
    > benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens,
    > children and other legal residents? What is it about race that
    > entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take
    > the American Dream without paying the price?
    >
    >
    >
    > For about four decades American politicians have refused to
    > secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class
    > Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge
    > debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be
    > satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been
    > riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters.
    > There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to
    > offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and
    > demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend
    > those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest
    > will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There
    > will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is
    > right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of
    > those who don't even have the right to remain here?
    >
    >
    >
    > There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this
    > year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010.
    >
    >
    >
    > We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators
    > and thieves.

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    Migradude, I'm looking forward to your first-hand insights into this situation on the border

    Thanks!
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    2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens
    > are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support
    > their families.
    Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens
    > in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to
    > their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do
    > for a decent wage.
    I work security at a place where they need welders bad. The American welders that apply there refuse the work there because that company will only pay a welder 13.50 an hour. Other company's are willing to pay 18.00 to 20.00 for that kind of labor. This is a company that makes (or use to make) 20 million dollars a year. The owners kid refuses to work in the office for 15.00 bucks an hour. Better money in drugs. He's a two time loser.

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