Increase in suicides among Border Patrol agents causes alarm!

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    Exclamation Increase in suicides among Border Patrol agents causes alarm!

    Quote Originally Posted by Homeland Security Newsletter- 8/20/10
    “After nearly four years without a single suicide in its ranks, the Border Patrol has had at least 15 agents take their own lives since February 2008.… Federal officials insist that the deaths have nothing to do with the Border Patrol, which has doubled in size since 2004, or the increasingly volatile U.S.-Mexican border.
    Read the two page article from the Washington Post below:

    Increase in suicides among Border Patrol agents causes alarm

    You can't tell me that the frustration with having their hands tied behind their backs, coupled with the stress and danger of working the border doesn't have something to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Read the two page article from the Washington Post below:

    Increase in suicides among Border Patrol agents causes alarm

    You can't tell me that the frustration with having their hands tied behind their backs, coupled with the stress and danger of working the border doesn't have something to do with it.
    Well, as long as we protect those Mexicans all is just dandy isn't it?
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    I do not think that I can handle that job.
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    Of course, it could be some of them know that their supplemental income was going to be brought into the light of day...

    But that's the cynical, not nice side of me.

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    God bless them. What a unwinable battle.
    First, they have people flooding across the border, their job is to stop them.
    But if they stop them, they may get in big trouble, just ask Ramos and Campion.
    Then the Federal government pretends nothing is wrong.
    They send in the National Guard, but wait, the national guard will never see the border, let alone protect it.

    So, basically, their job is to babysit mexican drug smugglers until they actually get through.

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    I would think that all the dangers and hardships aside, it would be very depressing to have to deal harshly with very very poor people who are just trying to survive. Daily dealings with human misery can't be good for anyone's psyche, whether nurse, doc, minister, priest, lawyer, cop, or judge. If you have feelings for other human beings, that has to be a difficult difficult job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I would think that all the dangers and hardships aside, it would be very depressing to have to deal harshly with very very poor people who are just trying to survive. Daily dealings with human misery can't be good for anyone's psyche, whether nurse, doc, minister, priest, lawyer, cop, or judge. If you have feelings for other human beings, that has to be a difficult difficult job.
    Once again with the pity party for the illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I would think that all the dangers and hardships aside, it would be very depressing to have to deal harshly with very very poor people who are just trying to survive. Daily dealings with human misery can't be good for anyone's psyche, whether nurse, doc, minister, priest, lawyer, cop, or judge. If you have feelings for other human beings, that has to be a difficult difficult job.
    Why aren't doctors and nurses killing themselves very day then? It is mostly our border patrol agents, cops and military that are showing an increase in suicide. Why is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    I do not think that I can handle that job.
    My nephew was a Border Patrol agent for about 7 or 8 years. After his National Guard deployment to A-Stan flying Apache's he was finally able to transfer off the Mexican border when he returned from overseas, and he went to the Canadian border. However, he already tainted and didn't like his long term future with Border Patrol so he has since been able to transfer to another Federal LEO agency. I haven't spoken with him in a while so I'm not sure who he's with at the present moment but I do know the Border Patrol took a lot out of him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I would think that all the dangers and hardships aside, it would be very depressing to have to deal harshly with very very poor people who are just trying to survive. Daily dealings with human misery can't be good for anyone's psyche, whether nurse, doc, minister, priest, lawyer, cop, or judge. If you have feelings for other human beings, that has to be a difficult difficult job.
    It does have a cumulative effect on one's psyche. Thirty years dealing with other peoples crisis' and misery has taken a toll. I'm definitely not the same person I used to be. Much more indifferent and cynical. Never been suicidal though and don't think I ever will be. That just isn't part of who I am. I'm not hard wired to just take myself out of the game like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    Why aren't doctors and nurses killing themselves very day then? It is mostly our border patrol agents, cops and military that are showing an increase in suicide. Why is that?
    Probably what I posted above and big dose of poor management as well. Certainly with the military it is the insane deployments over and over and over again. You can't have a decent life when you are away that length of time over and over again.
    But that's a different debate for a different time.

    I'm constantly amazed at how little compassion some of the folks here have for ---forget the illegals--- the folks who have to deal with these poor souls. You think that doesn't hurt you inside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Probably what I posted above and big dose of poor management as well. Certainly with the military it is the insane deployments over and over and over again. You can't have a decent life when you are away that length of time over and over again.
    But that's a different debate for a different time.

    I'm constantly amazed at how little compassion some of the folks here have for ---forget the illegals--- the folks who have to deal with these poor souls. You think that doesn't hurt you inside?
    You are correct, I have no compassion for your so called "poor souls", only the utmost respect for those who try and secure our borders.

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    They have to feel like they are in combat mode, most of the time. I would have to agree, the stress of the job has to be high.

    Or, the Cartel's have learned how to make them appear as suicides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I would think that all the dangers and hardships aside, it would be very depressing to have to deal harshly with very very poor people who are just trying to survive. Daily dealings with human misery can't be good for anyone's psyche, whether nurse, doc, minister, priest, lawyer, cop, or judge. If you have feelings for other human beings, that has to be a difficult difficult job.
    I would think, at least for me, the more difficult part of the job is keeping from being shot. What with the cartels and their escorts having more fire power than our border agents, the stress would be staying alive and hole-free.
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    Sorta like Bark'n, I'm permanently scarred from EMS. Thing is, since I started volunteering when I was 15, I grew into it at a formative age. Sometimes I wonder how I would have turned out if I never got into EMS. As it is now I can go straight from a hideous trauma to a spaghetti dinner without a second thought, and I never lose sleep over other people's misfortunes. I can empathize with my patients when I am with them but once I drop them off at the hospital it's over and done. FWIW I have only known one person in EMS that committed suicide. She was also a nurse that stole drugs and lost her job, and had family emotional issues outside of EMS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    You are correct, I have no compassion for your so called "poor souls", only the utmost respect for those who try and secure our borders.
    If you don't see these people as "poor souls" how do you see them and what is the reason you have no compassion?
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