New Patrol Vehicle from Ford (not a Taurus)...who wants one?

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    New Patrol Vehicle from Ford (not a Taurus)...who wants one?

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    The new explorer that is not a truck based SUV is gonna be Ford's first pursuit rated SUV. Who wants one?
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    Pursuit? In a SUV?! Uh...ROLLOVER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Pursuit? In a SUV?! Uh...ROLLOVER.
    Almost all the Border Patrol vehicles dowh here are excursions,the Border is a very rough and muddy place in some parts,the highway cars are Dodges
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Pursuit? In a SUV?! Uh...ROLLOVER.
    Actually, Chevy has a pursuit rated version of the Tahoe. It performs very well, better than most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Almost all the Border Patrol vehicles dowh here are excursions,the Border is a very rough and muddy place in some parts,the
    Just out of curiosity, how do they perform off-road?

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    It's a tall long Taurus, I bet the Tahoe and Caprice will own the market in two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Actually, Chevy has a pursuit rated version of the Tahoe. It performs very well, better than most.
    Yea, I've seen those. SUVs are ok for SWAT, K9, bomb squad...guys who need to carry lots of gear. But to try a "pursuit" in one is just foolish, due to the high center of gravity. We had a local officer killed a few years ago when his Ford Explorer (maybe an Excursion? don't recall) rolled over during a pursuit - he wasn't wearing his seatbelt, and was ejected and crushed.

    Laws of physics will always apply - a taller vehicle screeching around a corner quickly will always be more likely to roll than a short squat passenger car.
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    When I went on my trip to WVA (Canaan Valley.) All the local LEOs used V8 Explorers, makes sense as its snows up there so much. I'd love to see ECOBOOST Taurus take over the market.I'm glad Ford has "the balls" to develope the technology for it, and make it available for the public ( Taurus SHO, Ford Flex, some Lincoln models,...etc) The local LEO department around here keeps getting Chargers, but their the V6 (3.5L ) models, not the HEMI ones. I'm not impressed with the lack of quality in most mopar products, wich is why I don't support the use of the charger. I'd rather see them use Impalas(eck!) or the Ford Taurus.

    We'll see,...

    At my shop, we have a state LEO who has one of the Tahoes for highway patrol, and special projects thats a regular with it, We're always fixing stuff on it again, and again,..It seems to do its job as it was intended. He likes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Yea, I've seen those. SUVs are ok for SWAT, K9, bomb squad...guys who need to carry lots of gear. But to try a "pursuit" in one is just foolish, due to the high center of gravity. We had a local officer killed a few years ago when his Ford Explorer (maybe an Excursion? don't recall) rolled over during a pursuit - he wasn't wearing his seatbelt, and was ejected and crushed.

    Laws of physics will always apply - a taller vehicle screeching around a corner quickly will always be more likely to roll than a short squat passenger car.
    There is a huge difference between a pursuit rated vehicle vs a normal SUV. Ford does not have a pursuit rated SUV (yet)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    There is a huge difference between a pursuit rated vehicle vs a normal SUV. Ford does not have a pursuit rated SUV (yet)
    Thats odd,...My wife and I watch the "Speeders" show, and "Cops" show, and we see ALOT of Expeditions and Explorers on there, and sometimes they have Durangos on there too. Do they make Durangos persuit rated? Why would LEOs drive a non-persuit rated vehicle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghettokracker71 View Post
    Thats odd,...My wife and I watch the "Speeders" show, and "Cops" show, and we see ALOT of Expeditions and Explorers on there, and sometimes they have Durangos on there too. Do they make Durangos pursuit rated? Why would LEOs drive a non-persuit rated vehicle?
    There are tons of SUV and trucks out there pressed into LE service. Its just a matter of knowing the vehicles limits and capabilities. There is nothing saying that a LE agency must use a certain make/model of vehicle. Many agencies look at the area they are responsible for and the normal tasks asked of their officers and decide on vehicles based on those factors among others. A sedan might not make as much sense as a SUV. Furthermore, pursuits are a relatively rare occurrence, with a lot of departments not allowing them in the first place. So why waste time, money, effort etc on a vehicle with ratings they do not need? Maybe they have a traffic unit that will take over during asap.... my point is, there are a ton of variables in deciding on patrol vehicles. All that "pursuit" rated means is that the manufacture and/or a 3rd party has tested that vehicle under the extreme conditions a pursuit creates, and publishes the result. Normal vehicle testing is rather mundane. Pursuit testing is much more rigorous.
    The Chevy Tahoe actually has less roll over than the Charger and I think the Vic too. I'll have to double check that, but I'm almost certain its true.

    For those interested, here are some of the results of testing;
    http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7...6274--,00.html
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    I think the pursuit rating on the explorer is imminent...there is a Facebook page for the 2011 Explorer, and they announced it on there.

    The Tahoe Pursuit Package is usually 2wd and sits much lower with a different suspension, and thus much mor able to do high speeds with stability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    There is a huge difference between a pursuit rated vehicle vs a normal SUV. Ford does not have a pursuit rated SUV (yet)
    A pursuit rated SUV is less likely to roll over than a standard SUV...but both have a higher center of gravity than a passenger car. No way around that - physics is physics.

    My family rides in a SUV, because it is safer than a regular car UNLESS you want (or need) to go around corners really quickly. Fast lane changes can also be an issue. Things like electronic stability control, wider tires, and a lowered and stiffened suspension can help...but tall is tall, and there is only so much you can do. The center of gravity is what it is.

    Hopefully, departments will not use these things in true "pursuit" situations unless there is no alternative. And officers will wear their seat belts...
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