October 27th, 2010 09:12 AM
maybe there dule citizens
October 30th, 2010 01:32 AM
They likely meant "foreign born."
October 30th, 2010 07:23 AM
Deport the dirtbags? What exactly does that mean? These dirtbags will be back in the U.S. before the deportation papers are concluded...then what will we do, deport them again? What a joke!
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October 30th, 2010 07:35 AM
"Deport" them a long distance beyond the 12-mile limit and drop them off.
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October 30th, 2010 09:07 AM
Basically the deal is final. Citizenship can not be stripped except for fraud in the application; and the courts take that to not mean trivial errors, but errors that are truly material. It takes years and years and years to strip citizenship and is a very rare proceeding.
Originally Posted by DaveH
As for dual nationals, also fairly rare. But, that doesn't negate US citizenship.
The problem with Biker's hard line is the old slippery slope. First you say it is ok to deport naturalized citizens. Then, someone comes up with the bright idea that some native born citizens are so bad that they don't deserve to live here. Then someone comes up with a law to deport rapists or ---if no country will take them-- set up a penal colony in a remote region of Alaska. Well and good. But, as with the anti-terror laws, which keep getting expanded in unanticipated ways, eventually all citizens will face removal for one thing or another.
We need to stick with principle here. A deal is a deal. If no intentional and serious fraud (hiding truly material information) was used to obtain citizenship, the naturalized criminal should be treated as everyone else born here.
We don't have two classes of citizenship except as a qualification for office of the President. And we shouldn't.
October 30th, 2010 10:37 AM
Hopyard, I tend to agree that it might become a slippery slope. However, a full-disclosure deal can be voided, when one party dose not make full disclosure. Happens all the time. In some cases not only is the original deal voided, but criminal action for fraud can be brought by the State and civil recovery of damages beyond the sale cost can be awarded to the defrauded party.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
If you buy a house in a full discovery State, and the seller fails to disclose a material flaw, the deal can be voided. I think this is the same sort of deal.
As I understand it, the Citizenship deal is a mandatory full disclosure deal -- he/she must tell us the "entire criminal history, regardless of whether the criminal history disqualifies the applicant under the enumerated provisions -- including crime for which he/she was not arrested." That includes before coming to this country and while in this country waiting to qualify.
As I remember, there are exceptions for minor infractions.
In that many sex criminals tend to be serial and have a high rate of recidivism, I think it is worth in this case to check, closer.
IMHO, there is well a established / safe level platform for this action -- before getting on the slippery slope.
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October 30th, 2010 10:39 AM
A “foreign national” is anyone who is not a “U.S. person.” A “U.S. person” is any one of the following:
lawful permanent resident alien (green card holder)
protected political asylee or someone granted temporary residency under the amnesty provision.
NOTE: Any foreign entity not incorporated or organized to do business in the United States falls within the definition of a foreign national. This includes any branch of a foreign government and also can include universities and research laboratories in other countries.
Hmm, strange. According to the Times Dispatch article, if a lawful permanent resident alien breaks the law, they can be deported. Isn't that what I read in the article?
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