BAD -- Four San Antonio police SWAT officers shot

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    While I agree that there can be problems with no-knock warrants, a couple things come to mind.

    This was a search warrant, not an arrest warrant. The purpose is an attempt to find evidence. Surrounding the house, announcing and demanding surrender/entry would, I suspect, rarely if ever lead to any evidence being found.

    If executing an arrest warrant, by surrounding and announcing you have just created a "standoff" situation if those on the warrant choose not to surrender. That is in addition to providing them time to fortify their position and arm up.

    So, while they are not ideal, they are often better than the alternatives.
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    Any one can call out police and even ware police uniforms.

    Just watch the house and catch this guy on the way to his car or something, each case would be different.

    Bad tactics will not be made up for by bravery or self sacrifice.

    It seems that taking down a hardened case (criminal) in the open with good tactics would be much less dangerous than KICKING THE DOOR IN and hoping he is in the bathroom on the pot.
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    I'm with searcher 45 on this one.

    Even in the case of a hardened criminal, a 'No-Knock' search warrant was not the best tactic in a home occupied by a women and small child.

    How about an old fashion stakeout next time.

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    I am not into the debate on the warrants and their execution. I know several of the officers on patrol on that side of town and hope all recover quickly.
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    We do not know all the details but my question is how does the suspect not get shot ? Fatal Funnel encountered by the officers ? Lots of questions unanswered. No Knocks and Knock and Announce are very dangerous for the officers executing them and in my area the issuing judge looks very hard and long at the the application and PC before granting them. Prayers for all the officers injured. Another repeat offender out on the street and shooting cops.
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    I spoke with a friend that is SAPD. SWAT never got to hit the door. The perp fired through the door before they reached it. He then threw down his weapon and used the woman and baby in the house as a shield to walk out the front door to surrender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by san antone rr View Post
    He then threw down his weapon and used the woman and baby in the house as a shield to walk out the front door to surrender.
    What a spineless POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    Death penalty in California for ATTEMPTED capital murder? That's never gonna' happen.
    "California"???????????????????

    This didn't happen in California. Its in San Antonio, Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GotCBOB View Post
    You all know they yell police as soon as they knock down the doors?? It's called no knock cause they don't knock and then enter, they just force their way in. It doesn't exactly make sense to give a drug ring time to go get prepared by letting them know your waiting for them to open the door. I'm fairly certain the SWAT team leaders know what the best way to do things are as opposed to a private citizen.




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    In Texas and Arizona,there have been several home invasions by criminals dressed like cops,most of the time they hit drug stash houses looking for drugs and or money,It makes it real dangerous for Cops doing no knock warrants,Cops have been known to hit the wrong house in the past.In this case,I'm willing to bet that POS knew they were cops and waited to ambush them.
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    The suspect shooting through the door prior to police entry would answer my questions. Spineless POS hiding behind his wife and child.
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