Welcome to a special edition of "Justice -- Montana Style"....
This is a discussion on Marine Imposter Sentenced within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by TonySoprano That was great so see it happen to a fake. Now wish they do the same to all the other fakes ...
Welcome to a special edition of "Justice -- Montana Style"....
"Ray Nagin is a colossal disappointment" - NRA/ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox.
"...be water, my friend."
He got what he deserves. Fake vets are something that we do not need.
the form of his presentation doesnt concern me. his legal obligation to be honest at the time the statement was made is what should concern us all.Originally Posted by Captain Crunchplease dont misunderstand my intentions here. im not justifying what he did in any way, and im certainly not sympathizing with this slug. who really cares what some two bit liar babbled? it doesnt matter if he claimed to be a veteran, an astronaut, or secret squirrel.....unless he was under some form of oath then it was more unamerican to prosecute him for it than what he did to begin with. i mean whats next, prosecution for lying to the officer who pulled you over? "no officer, i didnt know that i was speeding" "no officer, i didnt see the light turn red". while lying in any form is wrong, prosecution for statements made without being under oath is a much larger issue than the ramblings of some two bit loser.This guy Horvath doesn't deserve any sympathy.
all that said, im not at this point saying that the prosecution was wrong because i dont know if he was under an oath or not at the time the statement was given.......but as an american who is not willing to sacrifice any of my freedoms under the guise of patriotism, i at least have to question it. if it is determined that he was under a legal obligation to be honest then i celebrate this sentence. if he was not, it scares the hell out of me.
Make him wear the sign standing at the entrance to the enlisted club at Camp Pendleton, Calif., late one payday friday afternoon. Oh,I'd think just one hour would do it.
If he survives he could call himself a Marine. -------
I like the way this Judges mind works! I wonder if he is as creative with other sentences.
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IIRC a feller in Colorado Springs set up a web site/org to track the millitairy fakers , and if avalable prosicute them , i honestly didnt pay a lot of attention to it since i have never been militairy and its not a concerern for me lol but it was on fox a while back ...
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Sign him up. Volunteer him. Marine Boot Polish Boy for 2 years.
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Being that I too have served, and retired with a military connected disability, I can be spotted at least once a month at the local Veterans hospital for one thing or another. Be it for prescription drug orders, or general visits for follow up care, I don't personally have any interest in being a "Fraud Cop" or "Poser" outer, since I'm surrounded by those that have served, and most have seen combat, or at the very least injured in part by thier duties while serving in the armed forces of the United States.Originally Posted by QKShooter
I see many vets that are in far worse shape than me that have served thier country honorably, and have the physical and mental scars of thier service. Even in the waiting rooms of the VA medical centers, I have run across some entusiastic claims of service with the Navy SEALs, and Army Special Forces, Rangers, etc. Some are believable, and some are not!! One thing is for sure, if they are in the VA center, they have been injured/service connected and have an honorable discharge to boot !!
However, creating a lie of life in the military with such things as posing for pics with an uniform with decorations, when one has not even served is a punishable crime, as is in this case. Many men with employment in the community as law enforcement and civic political clout have been outed for thier claims of military service on thier resumes. Once you've written these claims on a traceable document, such as a resume, or in this case with a probation officer, you've gone a bit more up the spectrum than wooing the nice looking girl in the local tavern with tales of military service with the SEAL Teams, or super secret "Black Side" forces such as Delta or CIA SAD. Most of the men of the SOF forces don't really give a damn about these types, but those that force the creation of a living lie for further gain in the community or employment are ...................well, getting themselves into what we call.................."sleepless nights" with the how, where, when to create these lies. One such imposter, recently in California actually purchased every single military item that was possible to purchase for display in his office where he was the CEO of rather large non-public held business. Such things as creating pics of himself with full dress uniform, with SEAL Trident, Naval Parachutist wings, numerous ribbons for citations never earned, and even a purple heart ribbon!! Hanging on his wall were fake certificates from advanced military special operations training, with even dates of graduation!! All to be found to be false, never earned, nor ever ever part of any manifest of graduations from such schools. Must be a full time job just to create this fantasy?
There's an old saying "Men that have never served, often think poorly of themselves" In these cases, not poorly of themselves, but poorly enough of the real men that served to dishonor them with thier fake claims.
U.S. Army retired
OUch, that hurt.!!!
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Well, I've done some more research on this case to hopefully address my fellow Montanan's concerns. No flaming intended, I just want to put out some info that was unclear in the news article.Originally Posted by NaturalSelection
Horvath pleaded guilty and was convicted of making a false official statement under Title 18 USC, Part 1, Chapter 47, Sec 1001. He lied about his military service to his Federal probation officer, who was conducting a pre-sentencing investigation on a previous conviction.
He was definitely under oath in the meaning of the law.
He's in famous company, tho. Martha Stewart was convicted of the same crime.
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And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier.
(Apologies ahead of time....... This was just TO good to let go! )CLAIMING TO BE A MARINE??Originally Posted by Captain Crunch
Seriously though, I think anyone caught should be punished, in some cases I don't care how as long as it costs them in some way.
I work in a federal installation and one of the security dog handlers has an EOD Badge on his uniform. When I get the chance I intend to find out how he "earned" it, and if he didn't graduate from EOD school I'm going to have a long talk with the installation head of security.
EOD - Initial success or total failure
It's a good start... we still have a war going on, I'd say send him there!
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That really is despicable, as Chris said. After he was done with the sandwich board, he should have had to do community service at a VA hospital.....
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