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    My personal expeirences with TSA only prove that you get what you pay for. The blank, "minimum wage" stare they have tells me TSA isn't paying much.

    As for all the hoopla of the body scanners, I think most flyers are interested in only getting from point A to point B with as little hassle as possible, and all the real crying is from many who don't even fly and don't represent the general population.

    I pity the poor person who has to sit all day long and stare at a monitor filled with bodies such as mine. I equate that job to a gynocologist working in a crack whore house or the person who empties Porta-Potties. No Thanks.
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    The blank, "minimum wage" stare they have tells me TSA isn't paying much.
    Starting pay for the screeners is $17,500 annually. Would anybody here want to try living on that? I heard that they get to vote in a couple weeks about being able to join the same union that Treasury employees belong to. Even though I'll bet the majority of members here are violently anti-union, just as with Wal-Mart drones, I think this is a clear-cut case where a union would be a good thing.

    Can't have these people working for peanuts like that. It makes them vulnerable to being bribed, stuff like that.

    Also, I don't dislike the TSA rank and file. It's the management I have a problem with. This whole Pornscanner business looks to have been a totally corrupt process that's less about security and more about the contract to supply these stupid things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksthumper View Post
    He has been assigned an extremely tough task which is utilizing the 'Nude-O-Scope' equipment with questionable effectiveness and probable safety issues. The alternative of a 'pat-down' is certainly not a pleasant experience for the TSA agent or the traveler and neither of these two passenger screening procedures are acceptable in this country.
    Something which should have been obvious to him, but he does have the minor excuse that he really has only held his position a short time and much of this was in the works before this present administration, and before his appointment.
    Still, he is the one who rolled it out. He is the one who, like the former Gov., of Louisiana post Katrina, has that look of not really getting it. He's surprised by the public reaction? That's enough for him to go.

    Eventually the procedure will change and unfortunately John Pistole will most likely become a 'scape-goat' even though the blame falls upon Napolitano and Obama.
    Certainly for Napolitano. Possibly for O.

    A scapegoat is innocent of all wrongdoing / by misjudgment. I don't think I'd apply that term in this instance. They are all guilty of being rather tone deaf to the concerns of many ordinary travelers.

    There will be many who come home from vacation saying, "its no big deal." But there will also be many returning from vacation who will say, "never again." Given the old rule that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and that the House will soon change hands and some will be looking for anything they can make stick, this TSA business is a liability that needs to be shed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    Starting pay for the screeners is $17,500 annually. Would anybody here want to try living on that? I heard that they get to vote in a couple weeks about being able to join the same union that Treasury employees belong to. Even though I'll bet the majority of members here are violently anti-union, just as with Wal-Mart drones, I think this is a clear-cut case where a union would be a good thing.

    Can't have these people working for peanuts like that. It makes them vulnerable to being bribed, stuff like that.

    Also, I don't dislike the TSA rank and file. It's the management I have a problem with. This whole Pornscanner business looks to have been a totally corrupt process that's less about security and more about the contract to supply these stupid things.
    I want to echo these viewpoints. Pay too low invites corruption and bribes and endangers us. And my beef isn't with the screeners who are just trying to earn a living and do what the political appointees and Senior Executives tell them to do. And yes, this whole pornscanner thing looks to be " a totally corrupt process that's less about security and more about the contract to supply these stupid things." I have no doubt about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    TSA is not the bad guys indeed, but they are the inept guys. Wrong is wrong.
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

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    Here's what you all don't understand. The TSA does profile.

    I fly every week, I'm a white haired, white guy with 2 million FF miles and a first class seat.
    I get "randomly" selected all the time. So does the 18 yr. old Swedish girl and the 80 yr. old granny in a wheelchair.

    You know who I've NEVER seen "randomly" selected? Someone in muslim garb.

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    I went through one of the new TSA full body scanners and I must say it was a non-event. I fully support civil liberties but these devices should really be a non-issue.

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    Our technologies including the gate-rape will not stop determined fanatics from doing their evil. A better system would be to have bare-naked stewardesses serving whiskey and ribs to the passengers before they can board the plane.

    Of course I'm only joking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    At what point will Americans finally have enough?
    When some ***hole brings down a 747 full of people.
    The problem is that we are spending time, money and effort on TSA "theater" rather than actually preventing someone from smuggling weapons or explosives on transortation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    I went through one of the new TSA full body scanners and I must say it was a non-event. I fully support civil liberties but these devices should really be a non-issue.
    The amount of radiation is reported as limited to less than 0.25 microSieverts. You would get more radiation by being inside the plane at 30,000 feet for 4 minutes. Even I, who thinks CT scans are dangerous (they may contribute to more than 1% of all cancers in US), think this is a safe dose. Even for pregnant women.

    What do people think should be done to decrease the risk of terrorists getting on planes?

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    I went through one of the new TSA full body scanners and I must say it was a non-event.
    Really? Well bully for you.

    You had to fit your feet on the indicated positions, spread your legs and reach and hold your arms up overhead, remaining motionless during your "Rapiscan." To me, that's the spread-eagled position of a common criminal. I say that no US citizen in good standing, unsuspected of any crime, should have to adopt such a humiliating and craven posture in order to travel from point A to B.

    Now, if you could walk into the booth and stand there casually, then the only violation would be the clowns in the other room pointing at your naked body on the monitor and yukking it up: "Hey, Chuck, come over here and get a good look at this guy!"

    But no, we have to add onto that the forced "compliance posture" and that's really unacceptable.

    We should, as the citizenry, push back and protest these unconstitutional invasions of privacy and advocate for smart profiling. As security experts around the world (from countries with much greater risk of air terrorism) are telling us: focus on the threats and don't waste time trying to screen everybody. We shouldn't be obsessed with finding bombs and weapons, we should be actively hunting for terrorists.
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    DHS officials have made it clear that they intend to start using similar technology beyond the airport. Someone explain to me how that would be reasonable? How that would be anything other than an unconstitutional suspicion free search for narcotics and weapons?

    We are on an extremely slippery slope here.

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    How about this for a scanning technique: every passenger and crew member steps into a small private steel booth about the size of a portapotty and stays there for 5 seconds. During that time s/he is bathed in an electromagnetic (non-ionizing) signal that will detonate any explosive material. It's private, it doesn't discriminate, it's safe - as long as you are not hiding any explosives - and clean up can be done easily.

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    A similar detonation concept was suggested prior to the Beruit base bombing to protect American servicemen and was rejected due to possible collateral damage. We know how that turned out.
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