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    "The problem is that we are spending time, money and effort on TSA "theater" rather than actually preventing someone from smuggling weapons or explosives on transortation."

    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    I went through one of the new TSA full body scanners and I must say it was a non-event. I fully support civil liberties but these devices should really be a non-issue.
    I'd agree if it weren't for the blast of radiation you got.
    And if you don't mind some stranger checking out your genitals, I guess you can submit. What ever happened to probable cause? What have I done to deserve such treatment? Answer: nothing.
    I'm sure most of the Jews got in the boxcars too. "Come on, Irving, it's a non-event."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    Candidly, I'm getting tired of the hype and the media's efforts at turning the TSA into the bad guys....

    If you've been in an airport screening line lately, within the last week or so, and you listen to people coming out of the scanners, most of them are surprised that there's been all this hoopla -- I've heard people say, "is that all there is to it?", or "I don't see what the big deal is." People have a choice: scan or pat down. If you decline the scan, you will get patted down. So take the scan if you don't want to be patted. It's not a big deal. Or .... here's a choice: don't fly.
    That's b/c they don't see what the screeners see. The recent occurrence of a TSA screener being arrested with his pants around his ankles as a woman's sports team went thru the scanners makes your position invalid, IMHO.

    Just like the TSA employees didn't catch knives, etc with the equipment that was designed to catch those things, they won't catch the items that the new scanners are designed to catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedrgr21 View Post
    The recent occurrence of a TSA screener being arrested with his pants around his ankles as a woman's sports team went thru the scanners makes your position invalid, IMHO.
    That was a fake report. Snopes

    It was from the Daily Squib, the UK's version of The Onion.

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    your video needs a bit of research. the kids father took his shirt off to try to bypass his being groped. he did not want him fondled. very much like the people that have gone through in there underwear.

    the "pat down" is not about searching for baned items, it is about intimidating the public into the back scatter x-ray machines that would not have detected the shoe or underwear bomber anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    How about this for a scanning technique: every passenger and crew member steps into a small private steel booth about the size of a portapotty and stays there for 5 seconds. During that time s/he is bathed in an electromagnetic (non-ionizing) signal that will detonate any explosive material. It's private, it doesn't discriminate, it's safe - as long as you are not hiding any explosives - and clean up can be done easily.
    this is great, right up to the point that someone with a pacemaker walks through.
    they use EMF to charge them and for reading the data back. many implanted medical devices use this.
    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -1792, James Madison
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    the back scatter machins detect "sharp edges". a curved surface will not highlight. anything under the surface will not show. the other chemical sniffer machines WOULD detect bomb material. they did not have the political connections to have the TSA buy that equipment.....
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    I figured this was as good a place as any to post my latest experiences. Yesterday I flew out of SAV in my ACUs with two prisoners and another escort. I advised the TSA officials that I was leading a prisoner escort and they called the manager over. We were ushered to the side and went through the typical screening. I however have a prosthetic leg and set off the metal detector needing to be more thoroughly searched. After a quick pat down and a very apologetic swipe down of my leg, I was on my way.

    Today I arrive at KCI sans prisoners and go through security. I advise them of my prosthetic and am told to go through the X-Ray thing. I'll do the X-Ray thing no problem. I am in uniform and figure I should show solidarity with the TSA in there effort at securing our Nations airways. The next thing not only shocked myself, but all the people around me. I was then asked to move over to the pat down area. I would need to be searched. I understand protocol. I understand that not all people wearing good guy clothes are good guys, but why did you have me go through the X-Ray if you were just going to search me anyways? I wont forget the man sitting on the other side of the rope with his jaw dropped pointing at this happening with a WTH mate? look on his face. A couple other passengers noticed when I was asked to expose my leg for the wipe down and seemed genuinely disgusted.

    I just wanted to post this experience to show the latest and greatest. I didnt once "feel" violated at either of these checkpoints. I support the role of the TSA. I still think they could adjust their screening procedures though and maybe, just maybe use a little common sense.
    Please take my posts with a grain of salt. I am frequently sleep deprived and always just on this side of "Krazy".

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    The TSA and common sense? As far as that goes, what federal government agency uses common sense?

    BTW, my wife claims traveling with me and my teenage son keeps her from getting scanned and patted down. She's an attractive blond with a good figure, so I'm sure it is just a coincidence that she gets picked when traveling alone and not when traveling with us.

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    Okay, so I flew home for holiday leave. Everyone I talked to was so up in arms over the full body scan and pat downs. Personally, I really don't care. I stepped into the body scanner AND got patted down without saying anything. Is it annoying and possibly time consuming which might make me late for a flight? Yes, so I'll get their earlier. I figure after being in the military and LEO world I'm use to having no privacy and the radiation? I think being an adrenaline junky will kill me before that. But hey, if you don't feel its right, I understand your right to protest it. It WAS interesting listening to all the people refuse and how generally sheepish the TSA agents seemed about it all.
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    Side note: I agree that the scanners don't do jack. Do the airport employee's go thru it everyday before work? I don't believe so. So having an inside man or for the right price they could already have something on the plane.
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    In 2004, I was flying commercial with a 3-star general, his wife, and a PSD (the general and I were in uniform)....the general's wife and I were searched....the general and his PSD were not. Hmmm, were we really threats??
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    There is also some evidence that the THz frequencies produced by the full-body scanner can shred DNA. By the time people start suffering ill health effects, it'll be long enough to where the TSA can have plausible deniability... that is, assuming they haven't been granted to the power to muzzle the press and internet by then, since I'm sure terrorists could possibly use them.

    http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.5294

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    There is also some evidence that the THz frequencies produced by the full-body scanner can shred DNA. By the time people start suffering ill health effects, it'll be long enough to where the TSA can have plausible deniability... that is, assuming they haven't been granted to the power to muzzle the press and internet by then, since I'm sure terrorists could possibly use them.

    http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.5294
    I just read this. Citations 6-8 are interesting but point to a need for long term exposure to achieve measurable effects.

    I think the jury is clearly out here--I'm unwilling to either say I think it is safe or condemn it as unsafe.

    I think the technology is wrong anyway and other means should be employed.

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