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    With the current system, it's like a snapshot of Economics 101. Supply & demand. Higher prices merely ensure entrance of entrepreneurs into the market, competing for market share.
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    For those who think the problem will go away I'll ask you this. If you were living in a shack in the wilds of South or Central America and you had the choice to let your family starve or grow and sell a crop that would feed you and prosper your family what would you do?

    For those who have never seen the third world it might be hard to understand why the problem won't go away so I'll try and explain it better. Many face the choice between poverty and possible starvation (right now) and prosperity (with the danger of possibly being killed at some point down the road). For every peon we kill there are a hundred more lined up so that their kids won't starve.

    The lure of big money to folks with so little is just too hard to pass up. Is it a death sentence? Maybe, but death could be ten to twenty years down the road while starvation is happening right now.
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    For those who have never seen the third world it might be hard to understand why the problem won't go away so I'll try and explain it better. Many face the choice between poverty and possible starvation (right now) and prosperity (with the danger of possibly being killed at some point down the road). For every peon we kill there are a hundred more lined up so that their kids won't starve.
    This.

    So long as the demand for large quantities of dope exists, folks will meet that demand. The Afghans still furnish 90 percent of the opium. All of the agricultural geniuses in the world have not found a legal crop that will give the poor Afghan farmer as much money as opium poppies. It would be more effective if the US simply bought the entire production of opium from Afghan farmers then burned it.

    BTW: The Afghan air force is in the dope hauling business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    This.

    So long as the demand for large quantities of dope exists, folks will meet that demand. The Afghans still furnish 90 percent of the opium. All of the agricultural geniuses in the world have not found a legal crop that will give the poor Afghan farmer as much money as opium poppies. It would be more effective if the US simply bought the entire production of opium from Afghan farmers then burned it.

    BTW: The Afghan air force is in the dope hauling business.
    That's probably not too far from the truth. After about 5 years all of the infrastructure for drug transportation would just wither and die. There would be no money in it.
    It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.

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    The US pays our own farmers NOT to grow crops.

    Remember how well prohibition worked out. Maybe it's time to put the coke back into Coke. We didn't have a problem before the war on drugs, or the war on poverty, or the foreign entanglements. Alcohol and nicotine addictions cause more harm and health issues than pot. Take away the taboo and mystique of hard drugs, like that of guns, and we would all benefit. Addiction has actually gone down in countries that normalize drugs, and the profit motive disappears. But the DEA, like the CIA, has become a major drug runner, and Big Pharma will keep buying our so called representatives in order to maintain their monopoly on feel-good pills.
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    Our problems are not just on the border, it is state wide. It is a terrible thing to drive on our freeways to the south and see signs put there by the goverment that say do not stop this is a known drug smuggling area and folks that live down close to the border that I know do not go out after dark and some have sent there familes elsewhere. The powers that be have not spent one full night on the border that I know of so I do not know how they can say our borders are safer. It has been stated that Phoenix and Flagstaff are major hubs for distribution for the cartels. I guess most have herd this before so I will rest and get my blood pressure down

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    The problem as I see it is one of initiative. If you are going to have a conflict then you should be the one to attack first.

    The cartels are powerful and I hate to think what they are going to do if they strike first. There has to be public information available on lots of police and anti drug task force members out there to be had.

    My fear is a night of the long knives type scenario where the cartels come in force and hit a bunch of good guys and their families in one night. It would destroy local police infrastructure and severely damage the will of anyone who was missed.
    It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    The war on dope will never be won. Cartels and the dope wars exist because of Americans insatiable appetite for dope.
    Absolutely correct. Solve the problem at home and then the cartels will lose their biggest financial backer; US citizens.

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    It is time to end the drug war. Do that and this problem goes away. When is the last time you heard of our border becoming increasingly unstable because of all those alcohol-runners? The war on drugs is every bit as stupid, pointless, and immoral as prohibition was. Oh wait, with prohibition they at least bothered to amend the Constitution to authorize it instead of openly violating it to tell you what you will or will not put into your own body. The only solution to this problem is legalization. Trying to have a border war over it is like throwing a bandaid over a broken knee to heal it. Utterly futile.
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