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    stole this elsewhere

    Why didn't the media pick this up? We need more judges like this.

    Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to
    light it?

    Did you know his trial is over?

    Did you know he was sentenced?

    Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio?

    Didn't think so.!!!


    Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.

    Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

    Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say
    His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also
    admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of
    Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and
    told the court 'I am at war with your country.'

    Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

    Judge Young: 'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court
    imposes upon you.

    On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of
    the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court
    sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to
    run consecutively. (That's 80 years.)

    On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served
    consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you for each
    of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that's an aggregate fine of $2 million.
    The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution
    and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to
    American Airlines.

    The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon
    you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the
    life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.

    This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and
    just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.

    Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your
    terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through
    the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone
    with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as
    individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach
    out for justice.

    You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in
    any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a
    soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do
    it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not-----
    you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet
    with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down
    one by one and bring them to justice.

    So war talk is way out of line in this court You are a big fellow. But you are
    not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist.
    A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very
    real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off
    that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and the TV crews
    were, and he said: 'You're no big deal.'

    You are no big deal.

    What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have
    grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with,
    is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this
    courtroom today?

    I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search
    your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what
    you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I have an answer for
    you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as
    close to understanding as I know.

    It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our
    freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose,
    to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually
    choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it
    everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom
    so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see,
    truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.
    It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your
    behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before
    other judges.

    We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat
    you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It
    is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our
    freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to
    long remember what you or I say here. The day after tomorrow, it will be
    forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.

    Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people
    will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war,
    individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United
    States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out
    evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will
    gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and
    refine our sense of justice.

    See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America .
    That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for
    freedom. And it always will.

    Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.


    So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets? We need more
    judges like Judge Young . Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to hear
    what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home.



    Comments here...

    CNN
    http://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-30/j...room?_s=PM:LAW

    Also look here...

    SNOPES
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/shoebomb.asp

    And here...

    Urban Legends
    http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...chard_reid.htm

    more information on the shoe bomber himself here...

    Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard...shoe_bomber%29
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century


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    Outstanding!
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    We need a lot more judges like him. Heck, we need a lot more like him, no matter what they do for a living, or a hobby.

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    Now that is a Statement to go into the official record!
    I know not what this "overkill" means.

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    He belongs on the Supreme Court!
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    That, I can support!
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    Awesome!
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    Excellent.


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    I am never impressed by people who have great oratory skills or the gift of extraordinary rhetoric.

    After reading the good judge's comments ... I stand corrected!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I am never impressed by people who have great oratory skills or the gift of extraordinary rhetoric.

    After reading the good judge's comments ... I stand corrected!
    I've always distrusted excellent public speakers. But to find one who actually has his head screwed on right?

    Nothing short of astounding...

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    I have to believe he gave this a lot of thought, had this written down and did not do it off the cuff....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century

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