More stupidity from on high.
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Read the article to the end. It's shocking. Rules for non-engagement?
Two Unarmed Men Mug 3 Marines, Mayor Wonders How « CBS St. Louis
What options are there available for our military personnel on leave to defend themselves?
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More stupidity from on high.
"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".
They had every option available for self defense that anyone else in their position would have had. There is nothing in the UCMJ that says you can't defend yourself. I carried (legally, with a Washington permit) off duty (and off post) all the time. Not knowing MO laws, they could also possibly have been able to carry OC, more suitable defensive knives, or whatever.
It sounds like - based on what little info is available - that they were drunk and easily taken advantage of. How the guys got the drop on them, I can't say, but I do know that it's pretty easy to manipulate people when they are very drunk. I also know that Marines are human beings, not supermen, and it's quite possible that two tougher, meaner street punks simply beat up the two who were actively engaged in the fight (the third one? who knows - having an EGA tattoo doesn't magically give you courage, either).
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
What he said!
"If you make something idiot proof, someone will make a better idiot."
Don't do stupid things.
Don't hang with stupid people.
Don't go stupid places.
Looks like they violated at least 2 of these rules to live by. Not saying they deserved what they got, they did not, but they did put themselves in the position to be had.
"I've noticed that everyone that is pro-abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
You are only paranoid until you are right - then you are a visionary.
It's not hard to get your ass kicked as a Marine. I know from experience. But, I will NEVER admit it in person, and NEVER say by whom...I feel better now.... been keeping that secret for years!
" Blessed is that man, who when facing death, thinks only of his front sight"
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I wasn't a Marine,but I can remember many nights off base with other enlisted men and getting pretty drunk to the point that In the morning I probably wouldn't know if I had my ass kicked by somebody or just fell down a flight of stairs.That's why I leave alcohol alone,I remember stuff better
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
armies, soldiers....through out history rather meant---kill people and break things.
when did become "fashionable" for a soldier to leave his personal weapon in the barracks when he was off duty?
in fact, i ask---when did it happen that a soldier was commanded to carry an unloaded weapon when in uniform??
if a commander somehow is fearful of having a soldier who will fight and die for their country armed in their presence; than there is something on a more fundamental level that is wrong.
what is the thinking behind 'modern' ....err, thinking?
You plug 'em, I plant 'em
...kid can't read at 17 (Garcia/Hunter 1985)
Lack of preparation on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on mine
just another way to spread the wealth!
if they were in Texas they could get a CHL even at age 18 if active duty no fee to DPS (and usually big discount from the class instructors)
.....but couldn't be intoxicated, which falls back to ksholder's post
Certified Glock Armorer
"I got a touch of hangover bureaucrat, don't push me"
Independence is declared; it must be maintained. Sam Houston-3/2/1836
If loose gun laws are good for criminals why do criminals support gun control?
Either they were straight up hammered drunk... or someone is not being completely forthcoming with the truth.
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Now if they were a navy seal or a ranger it might had been a different out come lol :)
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