People not trusting cops

Well let me tell you about my run in!
On the third of July I was stopped by Customs and Border Protection at a check point on I-10 coming out of El Paso.
This guy was all smiles and please and thank you and then he had the nerve to tell me what kind of day to have!
I wanted to have a completely miserable day with my family in our truck, and here he is ORDERING ME TO HAVE A NICE DAY!
Imagine that! Stopping me! (along with every other vehicle East bound at that time)
I mean here I am in a recently purchased used truck with out of state temp tags pulling a travel trailer (that they failed to search- INCOMPETENT!!)
Jackbooted thug!
I have worked with cops, lived with cops, and played cards with cops. I would do so again any time.

yeah, I had a lady T-bone me once in an intersection. I was in my police car, and she was in a F150. She swore up and down I ran the stop sign, even filled out a statement saying I was speeding and ran a stop sign while talking on the phone. The best part is, when we went to court, I brought up the fact it was a T intersection, I had no stop sign to stop at. I also had cell phone records and MVR video that show I was not on the phone. The speeding was a non issue.

I had a lady who had a flat tire in a rain storm once. I stopped to help her, and started changing her tire. She refused to hold the light for me, as she didnt want to get wet. I refuse to help those who won't help themselves. So I left. She lied and said I pulled her over and slashed her tire.

I also had a lady whom I arrested. She claimed I raped her. That was fun... about a month long investigation that was pure BS. My wife and family had a good time with that too.

Or how about the guy (while on video in the cruiser) beat the crap out of himself on the cage while we drove to jail. When we arrived, he told the jailers I beat him. Another lengthy internal to prove I didnt do squat but laugh at the jackass.

Or maybe the time the guy tried to cut my throat with a box cutter. His attorney made a formal complaint about me kicking his clients ass (which I did do) for no reason. Oh well, I got a free vacation out of that at least.

How about the search warrant when the hillbilly woman claimed me and my team stole 50k in jewelry from the house. First, even the house wasn't worth 50k and the only jewelry I saw was costume crap that looked like it came from Mr. T's starter set. All of us were put on the box for that, talk about stressful! She recanted once we all passed and counter sued.

According to 75% of the drug arrests I've made (well into the triple digits) I planted the evidence on them.

I've had probably two dozen complaints from verbal abuse to excessive force to "not doing my job". Never once was any of the complaints truthful, but I will admit I've given plenty of tongue lashings and have berated those who deserve it.

LEO's in my town are GREAT!!! When we call the non emergency number for whatever reason, they are there in minutes.
Now, LEO's in OK, let's just say when SE OK college is not in session, they have to make money somehow. Went through the town,
25mph, lights at almost every corner. Not exactly a speedy town. Stopped to pump gas, had 8-9 dollars already pumped in, (15 years ago so you know gas was cheaper and it took some time), local LE pulls in behind me and lights up. I asked him what happened and he informed me I "just" went through a red light. I informed him I had been there for a little while, showed him the gas pump and pleaded my case. Didn't work and had to send my $75.00 fine to the Durant PD. Texas plates in OK when no college kids to harass, just my lucky day.

Ever since I learned that SCOTUS ruled that the police can lie as an interrogation tool I don't trust them at all.

Living near the cesspool that is Chicago also has a lot to do with it. Cops as stupid, lazy and corrupt as they come are the norm and not the exception to the rule. I have seen CPD drag racing each other in traffic, smoking dope on the job and the best was a Captain who carries around a bottle of Gatorade filled with vodka and lemonade through his whole shift every working day. If they bring someone in for DUI and they refuse to blow they bring in the Captain and tell you that he will blow for you.

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Originally Posted by KingWalleye

If they bring someone in for DUI and they refuse to blow they bring in the Captain and tell you that he will blow for you.

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Sadly, because of the location, I believe this. Its actually almost funny, like a HBO special or something.

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Originally Posted by KingWalleye

Living near the cesspool that is Chicago also has a lot to do with it. Cops as stupid, lazy and corrupt as they come are the norm and not the exception to the rule. I have seen CPD drag racing each other in traffic, smoking dope on the job and the best was a Captain who carries around a bottle of Gatorade filled with vodka and lemonade through his whole shift every working day. If they bring someone in for DUI and they refuse to blow they bring in the Captain and tell you that he will blow for you.

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You know, it is funny. Reading this forum has enlightened me about Chicago. I always thought it was a pretty nice place. I went there a few years ago for a nerd convention in Lombard. I was only in Chicago for about an hour, just to and from the airport. I guess it is a good thing I didn't stay too long.

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

yeah, I had a lady T-bone me once in an intersection. I was in my police car, and she was in a F150. She swore up and down I ran the stop sign, even filled out a statement saying I was speeding and ran a stop sign while talking on the phone. The best part is, when we went to court, I brought up the fact it was a T intersection, I had no stop sign to stop at. I also had cell phone records and MVR video that show I was not on the phone. The speeding was a non issue.

I had a lady who had a flat tire in a rain storm once. I stopped to help her, and started changing her tire. She refused to hold the light for me, as she didnt want to get wet. I refuse to help those who won't help themselves. So I left. She lied and said I pulled her over and slashed her tire.

I also had a lady whom I arrested. She claimed I raped her. That was fun... about a month long investigation that was pure BS. My wife and family had a good time with that too.

Or how about the guy (while on video in the cruiser) beat the crap out of himself on the cage while we drove to jail. When we arrived, he told the jailers I beat him. Another lengthy internal to prove I didnt do squat but laugh at the jackass.

Or maybe the time the guy tried to cut my throat with a box cutter. His attorney made a formal complaint about me kicking his clients ass (which I did do) for no reason. Oh well, I got a free vacation out of that at least.

How about the search warrant when the hillbilly woman claimed me and my team stole 50k in jewelry from the house. First, even the house wasn't worth 50k and the only jewelry I saw was costume crap that looked like it came from Mr. T's starter set. All of us were put on the box for that, talk about stressful! She recanted once we all passed and counter sued.

According to 75% of the drug arrests I've made (well into the triple digits) I planted the evidence on them.

I've had probably two dozen complaints from verbal abuse to excessive force to "not doing my job". Never once was any of the complaints truthful, but I will admit I've given plenty of tongue lashings and have berated those who deserve it.

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LOL we can trade civilian complaint stories?

I got one for telling a guy "a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do"
Got one for giving a politicians son a criminal court ticket.
Got one for giving a traffic agent (meter maid) a red light ticket.
Got one for squelching the siren speaker when one side of a heated dispute said anything.
Got one for dating a victims sister. ( we've been married now for 25 years)
Got one for laughing at a drag queen wearing heels for the first time and fell on his a$$.
It seems I was always in sensitvity training. I just dont understand how to treat people.

Spuk!

Most of the cop's I'm seeing in this forum are of the old school variety. In my opinion todays cops are a completely different breed. They seem to hold the general public in contempt. They dont seem to have any respect for the traditions, and standards that made policing.

I think that too many of todays police officers see themselves as "LAW ENFORCEMENT" Not as police officers. They seem to see a threat in everything, and everyone. They seem to demand the public be docile, and timid when dealing with the police. They never use discretion. Everything they do involves law's and rules. They seem to treat people who call for service as annoyances. It seems to me they all want to play dress up, and run around saying "hut hut hut hut" all the time.

Like some of the guys in here I've worked some of the most dangerous areas of the country. During some of the most trying times in the countries history. I've been injured in may ways. Done and seen many things I wish had never happened. As I said in another post... and like other guys in here.. I/We have paid the dues to be critical of some police officers.

Some newer Officers must learn that Respect is NOT automatic. Respect must be earned. Intimidation only works for a while... and then only on some people. The police must be reminded once in a while... who they work for. They work for the people.

Spuk!

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Originally Posted by KingWalleye

Ever since I learned that SCOTUS ruled that the police can lie as an interrogation tool I don't trust them at all.

Living near the cesspool that is Chicago also has a lot to do with it. Cops as stupid, lazy and corrupt as they come are the norm and not the exception to the rule. I have seen CPD drag racing each other in traffic, smoking dope on the job and the best was a Captain who carries around a bottle of Gatorade filled with vodka and lemonade through his whole shift every working day. If they bring someone in for DUI and they refuse to blow they bring in the Captain and tell you that he will blow for you.

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Oh come on what about the Schaumburg PD? Palatine PD? No matter where you go there will be people who judge the police in a negative manner. However when you need one there is never on around right? From my experience actually living in that cesspool I've seen cops run into a burning building, stand in the line of fire protecting a civilian. Also this is one of my most favorite Ive seen a 1 cop in the middle of Cabrini Green (when it was still around) during the time when cops didnt even patrol by that neighbor hood, go up against an angry mob of 30 people just to do the right thing and arrest a wife beating POS. Ive also seen a cop almost get his leg amputated from drug dealers trying to run him over. Please don't take this as a flame, I totally get where you are coming from Ive seen a lot of Police officers from all over do some amazingly bone headed things. I would take being pulled by any LEO in the US over any other country. Especially anywhere is South America. Ive been to Europe, Asia, but man South America is so much worse than any cesspool out there.

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

I'd carry a pocket recorder from now on too. OSP is notorious for being all business and not to be messed with. These guys must have been rogue short circuits. I'd be in the post commanders office first thing in the morning and make sure they have a letter in their personnel jacket. And eating McDonalds while at work!? They are wasting tax dollars! They need to learn some respect, and not eat during their 12 hour shift. We the people pay them to patrol the highways, (but they better not write me a ticket, I pay their salaries!) not eat lunch.

And that hat they put on your kids head... I can't believe you allowed that... that hat implanted a chip in your kids brain. Your kid will now tell you to buckle up every time you get in the car, and his eyes will record everything you do and say, even inside your home!

They also accepted a bribe from you. I hope they go to prison. You should not be posting about this yet, and make an appointment to have brunch with Mike DeWine to discuss this issue. This is a serious violation of the 1,2,3,4,5,6,6.2 and 8th amendments of the constitution. Oh yeah, no knock warrants have to end too.

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says the ohio cop.

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Originally Posted by canav844

I trust nobody by default, just because they have a badge does not make them anymore honest than anyone else in my mind.

I've had a few less than positive encounters, I used to dispatch so I had literally thousands of positive interactions. But I'm also aware there are bad apples in every crowd, one officer I dispatched, recently plead guilty and was sentenced on child porn charges watching it on his MDT in his car on duty between calls (when it takes minutes to get there and you need an officer in seconds...). I'm aware that officers know the system and will use that to their advantage, I've seen them knock down the speed on a ticket so it's not a must appear in court, in hopes to get people to just pay it.

They are human, and as such they don't get my blind trust; but then again nor does anyone else until they've proved they earned it, and even then.

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I agree with you on just because they have a badge make them anymore honest.That is crazy about that officer you are talking about that is mess up.

I'm blessed to live in Ohio, every encounter I've had resulted in polite and decent behavior all around. I know that a cop can lie to me in order to obtain a confession, and I don't have a high opinion of that policy... That being said, state troopers and our boys in blue seem to be carrying themselves well for the most part in my area of the state.

People are people. There will be those you get a long with and those you won't. I find for the most part if you treat someone with respect they will treat you with respect. I can not think of 1 instance where I was mis-treated by an officer or detective. That being said I do have an issue the police chief of a small town near me who also holds other positions within the town. No matter what your issue is (not police related) he addresses himself as Chief XXXX, to me it is an attempt at intimidation.

I got pulled over for a speeding ticket once on my way home by a Pennsylvania State Trooper. He was very quick and professional. I'd say I spent no more than a few minutes on the side of the Turn Pike, plus he gave me a pretty hefty break in the ticket.

My experiences at school with the Morgantown Police, WVU Campus Police (they have the same powers MPD has), and the Monongalia County Sheriffs Department have been nothing but positive.

WVU PD patrols some of the buildings at night since most of them are never locked when school is in session. One night a pair of officers were going through the Creative Arts Center where we were having a Music vs Art Nerf war. The officers were cool enough to split up and join in a few rounds with us when they could have just as easily told us to stop and get lost.

Hummmm, I've thought off and on about responding to this thread. I could get into the reasons, but ... the bottom line is , based upon my experiences :

Unless I know someone (including an LEO of any type or agency) extremely well, I've learned to not trust anyone. I remain skeptical until over time they have shown they are honest and can be trusted, and even then.... I never fully trust anyone.