London Police Shooting and Riots.....

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    London Police Shooting and Riots.....

    From accounts in the media it appears to be a justified shooting by police.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...testers-police
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    Another troop...

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    Just as in the USA of course, at times the community of a dead 'BG' will riot.
    They will claim all sorts of police 'BS'.
    But the fact of the matter is that generally, (and with VERY few exceptions,) do innocent men get killed in countries such as the USA, the UK, western Europe in general, etc.
    Back in 2005, the British police shot the Brazilian, just after a terrorist attack.
    The police/government "bent over backwards" to apologise, compensate, and do whatever they could do try to 'make up'. - How one might 'make up' for the accidental death of an innocent, I really don't know?
    But the Brazilian showed signs of heavy cocaine use, in the autopsy. - Not a good sign.

    Most British police are unarmed normally, as we all know.
    They shoot dead on average just two people a year. - That is for the whole country/Great Britain! - 62 million people +/-.

    I would give the British police the 'benefit of the doubt' on this one, just as I always give it to controversial shootings by the police in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    Another troop...
    Catalyst for the riot News Story UK Shooting

    Only two shots from the Cop:
    IPCC investigators believe two shots were fired by an armed officer. A spokesman for the IPCC said that at around 6.15pm on Thursday officers from Operation Trident, the Metropolitan police unit that deals with gun crime in London's black communities, with officers from the Specialist Firearms Command (CO19), stopped a minicab to carry out a pre-planned arrest.
    this was not a random encounter the deceased was a criminal known to the police.
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    What a fine kettle of fish.

    Growing up in the 50s and 60s, the fact that English police carried no firearms was evidence of a genteel society, at least as viewed from this side of the pond. Yet the citizens were commonly armed. I spent a month over there in 1971 and was a guest in more than one home where there was a Webley & Scott or S&W .38/200 revolver tucked away "just in case" - as the memory of WWII was still very much alive.

    A generation and a half later, the English citizen has been disarmed, but the police are routinely armed, and that formerly "genteel society" is no more. The subject riot and mass assault on police isn't due to a political statement or racial bias, it's a broad statement of disrespect for authority in general and police in particular. Hard to see the social DNA between the today's rioters and the brave, determined English who gave so much during the last Great War. Social erosion at work - a living laboratory for us to observe and learn by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    What a fine kettle of fish.

    Growing up in the 50s and 60s, the fact that English police carried no firearms was evidence of a genteel society, at least as viewed from this side of the pond. Yet the citizens were commonly armed. I spent a month over there in 1971 and was a guest in more than one home where there was a Webley & Scott or S&W .38/200 revolver tucked away "just in case" - as the memory of WWII was still very much alive.

    A generation and a half later, the English citizen has been disarmed, but the police are routinely armed, and that formerly "genteel society" is no more. The subject riot and mass assault on police isn't due to a political statement or racial bias, it's a broad statement of disrespect for authority in general and police in particular. Hard to see the social DNA between the today's rioters and the brave, determined English who gave so much during the last Great War. Social erosion at work - a living laboratory for us to observe and learn by.
    A simple but excellent post Sir.

    I was born there in 1960.
    At 16, I was legally walking down my lane with my 12g Mossberg shotgun, to shoot rabbits on a local farmer's land, - with his permission of course.

    We had a Colt SAA in the home when I was a very young boy, which my father got rid of in an amnisty of all things! - It was unlicensed. - I curse this fact untill today.

    At 17, I was cycling to my handgun club, with my revolver and ammo in my jacket pockets and shooting my .22 Ruger Single Six on tuesday evenings.
    The following year I was driving to a full bore pistol club on saturdays, and shooting my Colt 1911 Series 70 Government pistol.

    It was a different age. Different times and even 'people'.

    Visiting my mother in Devon several years ago, a police 'SWAT' team had been called out, and shot dead a teenager who had been shooting his air rifle from a window. Seems he was a little 'slow' in the head?
    How times have changed..........for the worse unfortunately.

    About the only great thing that the UK still retains, is its Armed Forces, - of which are some of the best in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    What a fine kettle of fish.

    Growing up in the 50s and 60s, the fact that English police carried no firearms was evidence of a genteel society, at least as viewed from this side of the pond. Yet the citizens were commonly armed. I spent a month over there in 1971 and was a guest in more than one home where there was a Webley & Scott or S&W .38/200 revolver tucked away "just in case" - as the memory of WWII was still very much alive.

    A generation and a half later, the English citizen has been disarmed, but the police are routinely armed, and that formerly "genteel society" is no more. The subject riot and mass assault on police isn't due to a political statement or racial bias, it's a broad statement of disrespect for authority in general and police in particular. Hard to see the social DNA between the today's rioters and the brave, determined English who gave so much during the last Great War. Social erosion at work - a living laboratory for us to observe and learn by.
    While in general I do agree,there is a racial undertone to this. To believe other would be a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    While in general I do agree,there is a racial undertone to this. To believe other would be a mistake.
    I am afraid that undertone may be an understatement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School View Post
    Is that some kind of "gang sign" that the deceased is flashing in the photos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqgrill View Post
    Is that some kind of "gang sign" that the deceased is flashing in the photos?
    I think he's trying to figure out what the smell is on his fingers
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqgrill View Post
    I am afraid that undertone may be an understatement.
    I too agree that it's an understatement but I already get in enough trouble around here. That prevents me from saying what I really mean.

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