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    I can agree with you last post Hopyard..

    My only concern is that it could spread because of cell phones, internet. It does in prisons because of cell phones. My thought is if NY goes crazy ( gangs leading ) that LA could be next or even at the same time. Its just me thinking out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The bold part is key. We were never there or anywhere near there. We had isolated incidents of rioting or protest. In each, there was quickly an overwhelming police presence. Courts and government continued to operate. Folks outside of the tiny affected areas went about their business as usual.

    That does not add up to anarchy. Certainly not to a collapse of LE activity.
    is that so? in those newark riots it took NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS 6 days to quell the insurrection, hardly a quick resolution, I think you make things up as you go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    What do you think "my view" of what happened is? I actually stated what you wrote. That there were riots in isolated geographic areas. Yes, they were often very violent.

    However--- There was always a strong police response. People were herded, rounded up, jailed, tried, convicted. That is not the definition of anarchy.

    During nearly all the riots if not all, the geographic area involved was extremely limited. A few square blocks at most. If you were not in the area, life continued as normal. That is not the definition of anarchy.

    Let's keep the vocabulary we use realistic, and not inflate the nature of events; events which most of the readers here were not old enough to have first hand knowledge of.
    what nonsense, it took the national guard 6 days to restore order

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    what nonsense, it took the national guard 6 days to restore order
    In a limited area. On the whole there was no absence of LE. The presence of The Guard actually makes the point. There was LE presence and military assistance except in limited areas during a relatively brief time period. The thread title implied (at least to me) something much more global. A situation in which there is very widespread absence of any of the ordinary institutions of law and order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    In a limited area. On the whole there was no absence of LE. The presence of The Guard actually makes the point. There was LE presence and military assistance except in limited areas during a relatively brief time period. The thread title implied (at least to me) something much more global. A situation in which there is very widespread absence of any of the ordinary institutions of law and order.
    are you dense? until the 6th day, even with the national guard presence in the city there was anarchy. as for a limited area at the same time plainfield NJ which is about 16 miles from NJ was also in a state of anarchy that needed the national guard to help the state and local police restore order after days of lawlessness

    give it a rest you weren't there and are obviously clueless

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    With the current political climate of the "elite" and "progressives" trying to destroy our society I think that it is entirely possible to have periods where things break down. Just one hiccup in the free welfare system would result in that segment of society targeting any of us whom they feel have something (food, water, whatever) that they want/need. I live seven blocks from the ghetto in my town and they shoot each other on a regular basis over drugs, sex, and other things. If we get to hard times, that segment will reach out and start affecting all of us. The current occupant of the people's house and his cronies are and have been involved in verbal class warfare for some time. The stage is being set and only if we can short circuit the "progressives" will we be able to hopefully stem the tide.
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    WROL could easily happen.

    All it takes is bankruptcy.

    If there's no paycheck for the guys risking their lives; they just ain't gonna risk it.

    They'll take care of themselves and loved ones, just like the rest of the normal people.

    The seeds are there. We just don't know what the ignition will be, but it could happen overnight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I believe that there will be civil disobedience in certain segments of the country. However, I believe those will be isolated and probably perpetrated by those who are lawless to begin with. In places where the POS reside who are a part of the welfare and entitlement groups, when the money runs out they will not know what to do.
    Since theft is already part of their DNA, programed into them thru genereations of goverment handouts, they will do what they have always done; riot, steal, and do whatever they can until they are either appeased or put down.

    From the inner city, to the mountains of Appalachia, those on the bubble of exisistance will be the ones who act out.

    We have seen the warnings for several years, with things like copper theft and shop lifting, plus home envasions on the increase.

    However, I do not think it will be on an apocolyptic scale as some believe.
    I agree!

    Whether you call it Anarchy, WROL, Riots or Civil Unrest, it really doesn't matter. You're just splitting hairs with the terminology. Whether it's large scale or small scale, it's all the same where it's happening at the time.

    It has happened before in this country and will happen again. No doubt about it. Some examples? Natural disaster devolving into civil unrest (Katrina). Racially motivated, (Riots in L.A. Watts district, Birmingham, AL, and even Kansas City, Missouri in the mid to late 1960's). Mindless crime spree, also racially motivated, (Rodney King verdict).

    Who can forget the events (captured by video and displayed on the news for days) which took place at the intersection of Normandie and Florence following the Rodney King verdict, in which a gang of marauders swarmed the dump truck of Reginald Denny, pulling him from his truck and beating him nearly to death. The graphic scene captured on video from overhead news helicopter, of Damien "Football" Williams caving his head in with a huge chunk of concrete crippling him for life as police who were only a block away were ordered to leave the scene. Looked like anarchy to me!

    So, whether it's a small scale, geographically isolated area (one or two neighborhoods) or large scale, (city, state, or nation wide), it really doesn't matter if you're in the middle of it. If you're not prepared, you're going to be in hard times for sure. Maybe even cost you your life.

    Will it happen globally? I hope not. But riots are starting to erupt, and spread out on an increasingly larger scale in Europe as they finally, after 50 years have come to the realization that Socialism doesn't work, and slowly try to reign in spending and cut entitlements before there is a complete economic collapse across the entire continent.

    Simultaneously, riots are breaking out in the Middle East, for both similar as well as different political reasons.

    And here at home? Well, things are getting hairy. I won't get into the political debate about what's going on here in the USA, but we can all see it play out before our eyes, so you tell me? Do you think it will happen here? I think you're pretty naive if you think it can't happen here.

    Reginald Denny beating starts at 1:50 on the video! There are other videos as well but start with him already on the ground after the fact.

    Last edited by Bark'n; August 14th, 2011 at 09:56 PM. Reason: Video added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcealedG30 View Post
    Without Rule Of Law

    Do you believe it will happen in the next few years?
    Are you prepared or preparing for it?
    What are some of your preperations?

    My short version is I believe it is inevitable with our countries current path.
    Absolutely, without any doubt. Not just America, but the whole world. I don't believe that 2012 will be the end, but there is every indication that 2012 will be the "Beginning of the End". That's my short version. And yes, I'm prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcealedG30 View Post
    Without Rule Of Law

    Do you believe it will happen in the next few years?
    Are you prepared or preparing for it?
    What are some of your preperations?

    My short version is I believe it is inevitable with our countries current path.
    1. No I don't think it will happen in the next few years. I think it is possible but I have enough faith in the American people that we will not let it happen.
    2. Yes, to an extent we are preparing for the possibility of a break down in society.
    3. Storage of food and water, and lots of ammo. Plus, we have family in the hinterlands of Indiana, just 25 minutes away from where we are located at the edge of the hinterlands, where we can fall back to and hole up. It is an easily defensible place with land were we can grow food, where we have stockpiled seeds and other supplies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    1. No I don't think it will happen in the next few years. I think it is possible but I have enough faith in the American people that we will not let it happen.
    2. Yes, to an extent we are preparing for the possibility of a break down in society.
    3. Storage of food and water, and lots of ammo. Plus, we have family in the hinterlands of Indiana, just 25 minutes away from where we are located at the edge of the hinterlands, where we can fall back to and hole up. It is an easily defensible place with land were we can grow food, where we have stockpiled seeds and other supplies.
    It may not happen in the next few years and it may not be complete and utter chaos. I do believe it will happen withinn the next 5-10yrs and I believe it will be more wide spread than we would like. I have very little faith in most all people. Maybe I should reword that. I have a great concern about certain groups of people that rely on freebies to cloth, feed, and shelter their families. Our country is so divided that it befuddles me that we can remain the United States. Our leaders are currently making us more and more reliant on goverment. Not a good thing to rely on. I will stop now before I get to wordy and bore everyone to death.

    Interesting thing to think about

    other countries going bankrupt
    our country going bankrupt Republicans & Democrtas equally to blame
    printing money as fast as we can
    devalued dollar
    high inflation
    goverment won't allow our oil companies to drill our own oil reserves
    low food supplies
    high unemployment
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    Youtube dude, nutnfancy, talks about his take on WROL. This is his second installment on this controversial topic (WROL) and the London riots:

    nutnfancy's Channel - YouTube - WROL, the resurgence of community

    http://www.youtube.com/nutnfancy#p/u/0/b9TvtpydzjI - Mob rules

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    The way I look at it is this:

    The road that we seem to be on terribly resembles other countries that are already at the SHTF stages and I'm sure that we're not aware of half of what thousands of people are going through trying to make it. Most of the time during a protest, riot or whatever you call it, it's localized and people tear up the very towns or cities that they live in and for dumb reasons to most. A week or two goes by and they're back to normal. The "trigger" that people mention, to me, has already been pulled and the damage is done exponentially over time as we remain on the economic course we've set ourselves on.

    It's already happening. Those who are already at the breaking point, trying to make ends meet, feed the kids, wonder if they're going to have a place to stay tomorrow, all get thrown "over the edge" every time the price of food goes up $.01 more. So as the price of food, fuel and everything else goes up the day after that, you have that many more people thrown over the edge.

    I'm not talking about the "flash mobs" like we've seen at the 7-11. It's a whole lot different than an otherwise normal guy who is now put into a position that he is going to have to beg, steal or borrow to feed his kids because he simply just can't make it now. And the more this happens, the more people are going to remain with their families to protect them from the growing amount of people that are pushed over the edge.

    I do think that blanketing this all as anarchy may be a bit harsh but it sure seems that the more money we print, the less our farmers can grow and the fewer jobs that are available can sure put our country in a bad enough of a position to where normal order will be difficult to restore.


    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    be prepared for the worst and hope for the best. I recommend stocking up on emergency food, ammo for your weapons, first aid supplies, water and fuel and then pray that you will appear to be a kook for having spent all that money and time preparing for something that will never happen.
    Myself, I don't see this as looking like a kook. You're smart on two levels. 1. You will be prepared for rough times 2. You're buying stuff that you eventually use anyways, only getting them before the price skyrockets as food and fuel is already starting to do.

    So with the trigger already being pulled, we'll just have to see how much damage is done as good people have to struggle to survive and ensure the survival of theirs. If nothing changes, the path that we're on now will most certainly make things worse as we continue. However, unlike 7-11, LA riots, Katrina or the curent situation in GB, the masses will just simply be trying to survive, not snag a shirt or candy bar.
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    I believe that Katrina was the closest to true anarchy that I have ever seen. In that disaster we had police acting as criminals. When you have the citizens and the police ignoring the laws it is true anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    1. No I don't think it will happen in the next few years. I think it is possible but I have enough faith in the American people that we will not let it happen.
    It's the American people that you have you're faith in that created the mess we're in, and these same people still don't know what has happened. Good luck.

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