NYPD Chief claims ability to "take down a plane." What caliber for Boeing???

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    NYPD Chief claims ability to "take down a plane." What caliber for Boeing???

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    Commissioner Ray Kelly tells CBS' "60 Minutes" that after the Sept. 11 attacks, he decided the city couldn't rely on the federal government alone. He set about creating the NYPD's own counter-terrorism unit. He says the department is prepared for multiple scenarios and could even take down a plane.
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    I will have to ask him when I see him.
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    I'll bet hes got a few .50 BMG's.

    Remember all the hoopla from the news media that claimed the .50 could take down an aircraft ?

    That hoopla is one of the reasons that .50 BMG's are banned in the socialist states.
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    those juy's got ALL kinds neat toys...and money...

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    They must have a missile battery somewhere, but hard to believe the Feds would allow them to operate it. Could possibly be just a helicopter armed with heat seeking. Either way, not a comforting feeling next time I'm flying into NYC.

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    Does he actually mean SHOOT down a plane, or "take down" a plane meaning storming a plane that has been taken over by hijackers, but that is on the ground?
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    Okay Bubba now were gonna have to put the Cessna 172 into a steep dive to get enough acceleration to get the rope Billy Joe is hanging from in front of the engines so he can start flinging frozen Turkeys into them so we can bring it down,don't worry too much about Billy gettin sucked in,the 2x4 we got tied to his back should be wide enough to keep him from getting sucked into the engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Does he actually mean SHOOT down a plane, or "take down" a plane meaning storming a plane that has been taken over by hijackers, but that is on the ground?
    I'm pretty certain that storming a plane full of hijackers is what he was referring to. I was just going to post the exact same thing.

    I don't believe he was inferring he has the authority to shoot down a commercial airliner full of passengers, let alone possessing the hardware necessary to do it. I'm not certain anyone has the authority outside of the national command authority to authorize such a thing when a plane full of passengers is airborne.

    On the ground, sitting on the tarmac within your city limits is a whole other deal. Between him and the mayor, they probably do have the authority to make those decisions when a plane is on the ground at LaGuardia, JFK or anyone of the other smaller airports.

    Storming a plane full of hijackers up to now has usually been under the preview of the FBI HRT, or other DoD type units when on foreign soil. It's no small feat to perform such a task. I believe Commissioner Kelly was indicating that his ESU units have probably been receiving the specialized training, and obtaining the necessary hardware so that if necessary, his units could perform such a mission.
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    LOL... Ray Kelly talks too much..

    But yes... They do have the ability... to do this... But not what you think.

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    While they may have the capability, I doubt they have the authority to storm an aircraft on the ground without approval from the fed's. As for shooting down an aircraft, even if they have the capability, they don't have authorization. They also wouldn't have the monetary resources for the lawsuits that it would entail.
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    I also saw the show last night and assumed he was speaking of the NYPD having the US Army in the command center, and if something like that needed to be done they would work it through those guys. It wouldn't surprise me to find that there were hidden missile batteries around the city but I'll guarantee that they are staffed with military personnel.
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    The ability to take down a plane. That tells me he has some hand-held launchers, like the Afghans used to take down helicopters. By 'plane' he means commercial jet, not a modern fighter.

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    I believe this is a case of puffery.

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    He is probably referring to the fact that the NYPD has one of those "evil" .50 cal. rifles that can shoot down planes at 30,000 feet!

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    Given that "taking down an airliner", however you define that, is under the Federal power of "to provide for the common defense" in the preamble of the Constitution, NYC officials appear to be prepared to overstep their bounds on this one. They are just a bit too big for their britches and need to be smacked down by the voters. They are a city, not a country.
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