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That is exactly what I would expect of a LEO.Originally Posted by Guantes
Hand me the gun by the muzzle? Too many movies or what?
I don't think that you misread Badger's post since he asserts illogically that he is not disarming and not disobeying.
This is a discussion on MY CCW friend pulled over by cops.. unusual LEO encounter. What would you do? within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Guantes No I would not see a problem with that. It is possible that I may have misread the intent of the ...
That is exactly what I would expect of a LEO.
Hand me the gun by the muzzle? Too many movies or what?
I don't think that you misread Badger's post since he asserts illogically that he is not disarming and not disobeying.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
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I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to comply with those directions Guantes, as I have no idea what alight means, I'd probably reach for my Smartphone and hit up Google quick lol.
Disclaimer:
My opinion shouldn't be taken seriously due to the fact that I've been shooting guns for over 30 years and have only recently been active on gun forums, where all the real world knowledge apparently is.
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No problem, I'm sure we could reach an understanding of what I would like you to do.
1alight verb \ə-ˈlīt\
alight·ed also alitalight·ing
Definition of ALIGHT
intransitive verb
1
: to come down from something (as a vehicle): as
a : dismount
b : deplane
2
: to descend from or as if from the air and come to rest : land, settle
3
"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".
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Yeah, I looked it up afterwards just in case we ever cross paths. :D
Disclaimer:
My opinion shouldn't be taken seriously due to the fact that I've been shooting guns for over 30 years and have only recently been active on gun forums, where all the real world knowledge apparently is.
The military term I was most accustomed to which is synonymous with "alight" is "un-ass".
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Quite so, but I think it would be less amicably received by a citizen, coming from an officer.
"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".
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Now I got LEO callin me a ass... I am really, really dissatisfied now! I'm tellin'!
I thought it was only moles and gophers what dug holes alot... mebbe them otheruns do too.
I'd hand him the gun like I'd offer a carrot to a horse... laying on my open palm, muzzle away from both of us.
Read:
The Gift of Fear by Gavin De Becker
In The Gravest Extreme by Massad Ayoob
The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn
From every encounter or scenario; yours, someone else's, real, or not...
LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT
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Rotflmao
"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".
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No, that wouldn't be difficult at all. Just hand it over, the way he says, with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Safety on, if it has one. No big deal.I don't think it would be difficult to hand over the gun butt first with the barrel pointed in a safe direction.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
Make eye contact, smile politely, shut up, and do as you're told without letting the muzzle cross anything important.
Although trained to separate the gun from the person being interviewed, when a gun is worn on a body seated in a car, it might make sense to have the driver keep his hands on the wheel while LEO returns to the squad to check out the ID's. Said to a student by LEO at a stop, "Well, if you don't reach for yours, I won't pull out mine."
Liberty, Property, or Death - Jonathan Gardner's powder horn inscription 1776
Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.
("Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it.")
-Virgil, Aeneid, vi, 95
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In Georgia, we are not required to inform, and I wouldn't, unless asked directly. If asked, I would respond truthfully, and do whatever the officer asked.
As others have posted, I would be careful not to cover either of us while complying. Of course, being a lefty, I could open the door and the officer could remove it from my holster himself with no problem.
"If you make something idiot proof, someone will make a better idiot."
- Anon
Absolutely the answer to the problem IMO.
And OP yes, perfectly acceptable regarding the way the officer returned the weapon IMO.... I've heard how they will sometimes place it in your trunk; the back seat trumps that by a good measure.
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." – Luke 22:36
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson
No kidding. I've never had an encounter with a police officer where we couldn't reach one of those understandings.
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My thinking is along the lines of gunthorp, so to ask a potentially stupid question: under most circumstances, wouldn't the safest approach, even from the LEO perspective, be for them to leave their gun the hell alone and not touch it? The things don't go off by themselves and if it is in a safe location, it seems logical to me that the safest approach is for it to stay there.
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The concern is not the weapon going off by itself. Under most circumstances, you would be correct.
"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".
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