MY CCW friend pulled over by cops.. unusual LEO encounter. What would you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    No I would not see a problem with that. It is possible that I may have misread the intent of the post.
    Personally I would not make such a request, I would take possession of the weapon myself after advising the driver to alight from the vehicle, then advising him of what my actions were going to be. That is if I decided to take possession of the weapon at all.
    That is exactly what I would expect of a LEO.

    Hand me the gun by the muzzle? Too many movies or what?

    I don't think that you misread Badger's post since he asserts illogically that he is not disarming and not disobeying.
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    I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to comply with those directions Guantes, as I have no idea what alight means, I'd probably reach for my Smartphone and hit up Google quick lol.

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    No problem, I'm sure we could reach an understanding of what I would like you to do.


    1alight verb \ə-ˈlīt\
    alight·ed also alitalight·ing



    Definition of ALIGHT

    intransitive verb
    1
    : to come down from something (as a vehicle): as
    a : dismount
    b : deplane
    2
    : to descend from or as if from the air and come to rest : land, settle
    3
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    Yeah, I looked it up afterwards just in case we ever cross paths. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    No problem, I'm sure we could reach an understanding of what I would like you to do.


    1alight verb \ə-ˈlīt\
    alight·ed also alitalight·ing



    Definition of ALIGHT

    intransitive verb
    1
    : to come down from something (as a vehicle): as
    a : dismount
    b : deplane
    2
    : to descend from or as if from the air and come to rest : land, settle
    3
    The military term I was most accustomed to which is synonymous with "alight" is "un-ass".
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    Quite so, but I think it would be less amicably received by a citizen, coming from an officer.
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    Now I got LEO callin me a ass... I am really, really dissatisfied now! I'm tellin'!

    I thought it was only moles and gophers what dug holes alot... mebbe them otheruns do too.

    I'd hand him the gun like I'd offer a carrot to a horse... laying on my open palm, muzzle away from both of us.
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    Rotflmao
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    I don't think it would be difficult to hand over the gun butt first with the barrel pointed in a safe direction.
    No, that wouldn't be difficult at all. Just hand it over, the way he says, with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Safety on, if it has one. No big deal.
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    Make eye contact, smile politely, shut up, and do as you're told without letting the muzzle cross anything important.

    Although trained to separate the gun from the person being interviewed, when a gun is worn on a body seated in a car, it might make sense to have the driver keep his hands on the wheel while LEO returns to the squad to check out the ID's. Said to a student by LEO at a stop, "Well, if you don't reach for yours, I won't pull out mine."
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    In Georgia, we are not required to inform, and I wouldn't, unless asked directly. If asked, I would respond truthfully, and do whatever the officer asked.

    As others have posted, I would be careful not to cover either of us while complying. Of course, being a lefty, I could open the door and the officer could remove it from my holster himself with no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    Everybody has their quirks, including cops. You could hand it to him by the muzzle without having the muzzle pointing at you.

    For me it would not be a problem. I engage the external safety, grab the muzzle and hand it to him.

    Absolutely the answer to the problem IMO.


    And OP yes, perfectly acceptable regarding the way the officer returned the weapon IMO.... I've heard how they will sometimes place it in your trunk; the back seat trumps that by a good measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    No problem, I'm sure we could reach an understanding of what I would like you to do.
    No kidding. I've never had an encounter with a police officer where we couldn't reach one of those understandings.
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    My thinking is along the lines of gunthorp, so to ask a potentially stupid question: under most circumstances, wouldn't the safest approach, even from the LEO perspective, be for them to leave their gun the hell alone and not touch it? The things don't go off by themselves and if it is in a safe location, it seems logical to me that the safest approach is for it to stay there.

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    The concern is not the weapon going off by itself. Under most circumstances, you would be correct.
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