This is a discussion on MY CCW friend pulled over by cops.. unusual LEO encounter. What would you do? within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by gunthorp It's not that complicated. If a cop asks you to do something, it's for a reason. Just do it! Do it ...
Just because an officer asks you to do things does not mean that he should be able to. Comply with him (within reason) at the scene, then speak to his authority afterward.
DontTreadOnI....You could complain all day about the officer disarming you during the stop, but if your state laws say he can, he doesn't have to give you a reason and your complaints based on that alone would go nowhere. Now if you want to let them know about the method, thats a different story and I agree with you. It would never happen here as described in this thread.
Before I was LEO I had my CHL for a few years and was unfortunately stopped a couple of times, I was never disarmed but I knew because of my CHL class that they could have and I would have complied. I wouldn't take this as infringing on my rights. I was a good guy. The troopers were good guys...I'm the one that messed up.
Now as far as me....I have made stops on folks with CHLs and never felt the need to disarm them. This would only occur if they were in a more suspicious situation. I'm way more concerned about the non-CHL holder in more suspicious circumstances than the stop just for speeding. YMMV and each LEO's will too.
If I was going to disarm someone as in this thread, they would be keeping their hands on the wheel until I opened the door with my left hand, they would put hands on head and get out of the car (alight for Guantes ) and I would disarm. I have an issue with a person that is stopped/detained handling their gun while disarming. Heaven forbid another officer shows up and sees this happening. It would just not be comfortable for me to have someone reach to their holster and clear leather if I wanted to disarm them for the stop.
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Yeah, I thought about that, too. That's why, if disarmed while seated in my car, I'm handing the gun to the LEO on an open palm... If someone else sees the transfer of the weapon, it won't appear as though its a gun as much as it would handing it to him by the muzzle or the grip.
I really can't imagine a LEO asking me to put my hands on my weapon while I'm in the car... but if he did, you can bet it would be slowly, carefully, and in a manner where he can see that I cannot operate the weapon, and anyone else would not be able to assume it was a threatening object in my hand.
It could be worse!
It may be that they really arent smart enough to figure it out, in which case, they arent smart enough to carry a concealed handgun at all.really? You guys can't figure out a way to safely comply?
Its obvious that some may not have the proper training to safely carry.
It dosent take a rocket surgeon to figure this stuff out.
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Fortunately, I will never be with some of you guys when you get pulled over by the police. Hopefully, I won't be the next CHL he pulls over after he and his colleagues get done dealing with you.
I usually carry mine IWB in a kydex rig with kydex clips, so it would be fairly easy for me to remove both belt clips and hand over the holstered pistol, if requested to do so.
The one time I was stopped, I followed all of the recommended steps, including (mandatory) inform. When asked where "it" was, I told him but he did not ask to see it. In fact, he just said, "OK, thanks".
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Rocket Surgeon.Not handing your gun to an officer that requests if for reasons that YOU beleive are justified is a recipe for disaster.If we want to call intelligence into question I would start with the officer in the OP. There is no way I am handing a gun(That he is most likely totally unfamiliar with) loaded with one in the chamber muzzle first to some dude that most likely shoots a gun once a year during his requalification. Nor should any LEO in his/her right mind ask someone to do such a thing. Those of you preaching compliance with such an obviously silly request should not be calling into question the intelligence of others.
You dont know that officer, what he does, how much he shoots. For all you know he might be a SWAT officer...fact is, YOU dont know.
Nor does your opinion matter to an officer.Unless you have been in every single situation an officer might possibly encounter,or are a certified LEO, then YOU are not qualified to determine what an LEO should or should not do or that what he does is right or not right.
Silly request? Try telling that to a judge. Your cellmate might get a kick out that also.
Roon...you have a total of 7 posts here.We dont take to cop bashing here.You might notice that most are suggesting you simply comply.
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