You're right..I dont...so I would prefer to air on the side of caution and let the officer remove the gun from my person in the safest manner possible.Quote:
You dont know that officer, what he does, how much he shoots. For all you know he might be a SWAT officer...fact is, YOU dont know.
I guess I am not concerned if my opinion matters to an officer or not. No judge on planet earth is going to uphold an officer arresting a person that would prefer the officer disarm them instead. In fact said person might even get a pay day out of it.Quote:
Nor does your opinion matter to an officer.Unless you have been in every single situation an officer might possibly encounter,or are a certified LEO, then YOU are not qualified to determine what an LEO should or should not do or that what he does is right or not right.
Why would I go to jail for preferring the officer disarm me themselves?Quote:
Silly request? Try telling that to a judge. Your cellmate might get a kick out that also.
Please point me to my post in which I was "cop bashing"? I was simply stating my preference for the officer to disarm me themselves, much in the way Guantes described.Quote:
Roon...you have a total of 7 posts here.We dont take to cop bashing here.
Quite a few people are of the opinion that complying with an officers request to hand a cop your gun by the muzzle is a good idea? I suppose you are entitled to that opinion...forgive me if I don't share it.Quote:
You might notice that most are suggesting you simply comply.
If you can point me to where I have broken a rule I will gladly apologize.....Quote:
If you arent real careful, you'll never make double digits on this forum.
OK, reality check.
Just what do you think is going to happen when an LEO senses noncompliance. I know you pay his salary. I know he works for you. Telling him how to do his job during a stop is a quick way to sublime.
Respectfully, Just take the pistol out and have the muzzle to your right, grip to your away, and hand the officer the weapon and alert him, or her that it is loaded. Although the sweep could be a possibility, I strongly believe that you'd have a better chance of getting struck by lighting then being shot by a LEO with your own gun, under those circumstances. I could be wrong, stranger things have happened.
I understand how unlikely it is, but quite a few people that have been shot by accidental discharges thought it was a long shot as well. My point is simply this - why on earth is it so difficult for an LEO to simply disarm a person....this takes into account both the officers and citizens safety. You avoid any nonsense with backup arriving and not knowing what is going on and any nonsense that could happen as a result of negligence on the officers part. I guess I just dont understand the reasoning for the officers in the OP's request, I just see no reason that the officer could not have disarmed the individual themselves. I am open to hearing legitimate reasons for the request that I might not have thought of though.
Re the sweeping, there is no guarantee that you will not be swept, regardless of the disarm method.
You must decide what is best for you, but I would weigh my actions carefully.
I think the method of disarm mentioned in the OP would be extremely rare.
Im retired LEO and we hav ccw in nc. When i approached a vehicle the cc person by law has to inform me hes got that weapon. When they told me i always responded thankyou and asked for their driver license and vehicle reg. In nc when we run ur DL info it will show that u hav that ccw license. I was not worried abt the armed citzen that had a ccw permit, im concerned abt the criminal with a weapon. I never asked to see their weapon and i always told them to leave it where it was. You can also carry a weapon in plain view in nc and hav seen citzens hav their pistol laying on the seat r put it on the dash, thats ok too and u dont need a ccw permit to do that. Always hav both hands on the steering wheel when we approach the vehicle and inform us that u hav a ccw permit and their is a weapon in the car. Thats the best way to do things since most leo are on high alert when they approach a vehicle. Dangerous business...just understand that much.....
Anyway, just a little friendly info to chew on... Take care. :bier:
I don't want to be taken the wrong way, I am in no way advocating being confrontational with an LEO....I am simply suggesting that saying something along the lines of "I would be more comfortable with the situation if you were to disarm me yourself officer", should not be taken as non compliance...I think that is a perfectly reasonable thing to suggest, and if the officer insists I would comply and address the situation through the proper channels.
The written medium of communication often requires greater effort and exchange to establish what page everyone is on.
Personally, assuming I felt that someone should be disarmed, I cannot imagine using the method in the OP.